Mitsu is doing WHAT?!

[Mark]

I doubt any insurance company promise of lowering rates.

They offer the driving app option, & give you a discount up front if you take it.

Then they use the driving app data to justify raising one's car insurance to a new level that you've never seen before.

The best vehicle is an old one! Drop down to liability insurance only & save money! If you hit a deer, you use salvage yard parts to fix it. Paint the entire car black or some goofy camo pattern & keep driving it!

If you hit someone's brand new Lexus SUV, you're still covered for their vehicles at least.

[Wallythacker]

That is clearly illegal. The data about your driving belongs to you unless you previously signed off to share it.

It's yours and you can sue everyone stealing into into dust with the right legal firm

Your privacy rights are being exploited no differently than your personal heath information.

I hope a class action commences over this.

[defensivetackle99]

You made a valid point. I wish I could go liability however in my case for example there would be no protection to myself and my family from uninsured drivers. They’re inevitably everywhere.

[mohammad]

Similar situation in the EU.
There is a recent requirement for automatic accident-reporting on new cars. A collision sensor going off raises an emergency alarm. This became the norm in almost all new vehicles that had a phone-pairing device, long before it was actually needed by mandate. I think Ford was one of the first with phone pairing.

Certain only-electric vehicle makers and some more expensive non-electric vehicles have their own secret SIM for that purpose and phone home to the manufacturer without telling. George Orwell's 1984 is an interesting read, becoming more interesting day by day...

Every Toyota corolla trim, even the base L model has a "hidden SIM" and a 10 year trial for the SOS button and the feature that sends them all your driving data for things like maintenance and diagnostics. I wonder if there is a list of what cars do not include a sim card these days.

[Eggman]

I wonder if there is a list of what cars do not include a sim card these days.

Here's two:

[jebr]

Maybe that's why the damn Fuel Rewards app keeps asking for (and I keep denying) physical activity monitoring. Guess it's time to just delete the app entirely - not worth the extra 30ish cents a week in gas savings (and I think I can go online to add the discount code I get from T-Mobile directly if I want to.)

I actually don't mind the option to get a rate based on driving habits from a OBDII dongle in the car - I did it once and while I didn't get a ton of savings I got some savings, and it was pretty effortless. I opt out of any option to do the apps, though. The privacy aspect is annoying, but the bigger issue is that it's a pain to deal with all the false trips where it thinks I'm driving but I'm not. This is especially bad for my spouse, who's often riding in the car with me or taking the bus, but often it'll think it's her driving. We did it once about six years ago and it just wasn't worth it. At least with the OBDII sensor it'll clearly only track trips with the insured vehicle, not double-count them, and not count any trips that aren't in the insured vehicle (bus/train, taxi/ridehail, etc.)

[7milesout]

Eggman - That Jeep looks simply wonderful. Is it yours?

[Eggman]

Eggman - That Jeep looks simply wonderful. Is it yours?

Yep. It's a 1980 CJ-7. I bought it secondhand back in August 1988 (I think...)

Basic transportation - no computers except when I bring my phone along for a ride.

I thought you knew about this?

[7milesout]

Can I have it?

It's actually quite hypocritical of you to own that, whilst also owning a Tata EV. It's like you're slapping yourself in the face. Don't be such a tree cutting hypocrite and just give it to me. I'm willing to help you out.

[7milesout]

I mentioned elsewhere that the single most glorious drive I ever took was in a late 80's (or real early 90's) Jeep Wrangler. Bikini top, no doors. 5-speed, 4.0L. It was 1995. We needed some part for our senior project and it was around town. I told the group, I'd go get it but my car is about a 2 mile hike from here. Another guy said, "can you drive a stick?" I said, "yup, my car's a stick."

He said, my Jeep's right out the door if you want to take it to go get it. I said, "boy howdy." And off I went. Across Chattanooga and back. I was maybe 22 or 23 years old. In good shape. Chickie-poos looking at me riding by in the Jeep. The Jeep was flawless. The weather was flawless. It was heaven on earth. I let the guy know how glorious it was. I'll never forget it.