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    Quote Originally Posted by fc321 View Post
    If that is the case it would pay to wait on buying the Fiesta. After awhile the dealers will want them off the lots and you will get a deep discount.

    But I got rid of my old 2013 Fiesta. Every time the battery died I would have to bring it to the dealer to have the Transmission Control Module reprogrammed and the second time it happened the dealer charged me for it.

    After it happened the second time, I sold the car. I lost alot of money because of that and I am turning by back on Ford from now until forever. I was trying to be patriotic and "Buy American" and all that (only to find out later that my car was built in Mexico)

    I am as patriotic as they come but I am not going to over pay for an inferior product anymore (USA Automakers).
    Would that be with the Automatic? I will not own anything auto or CVT, too many complications, plus I just do not care for them.. especially with small engines. Granted, the Fiesta I looked at was a 2015 with only 14k miles on it. Likely under 9 grand after negotiating the $10,000 asking price. It looked like a brand new car. Great Driver, too.

    I am hardly a Ford Fan, but I have liked the European style offerings, they just have more style and drive better. Also the early 90's Escort GT with the Mazda powertrain.

    I am a little bit surprised they are no longer going to offer the Fiesta. Maybe not profitable enough in the USA? I am well aware of the automatic transmission issues and recalls they had on these, but otherwise they seem to be pretty forgiving.

    My likely purchase (if I cannot get the Mirage comfortable for me, or a super good deal) is a electric car or a hybrid plug in, a few years old with under 35k.



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    Mine was automatic. Dual Clutch transmission controlled by a computer. And that is the problem, too complicated gizmo and sure enough it fails and breaks. Too much complexity like a Rube Goldberg machine.

    Thats why I like the manual transmission on the Mirage, a simple design. Less prone to failure.

    Electric cars are too proprietary. If you need to get them serviced it will cost a fortune and has to be done by the dealer or a specialist.

    And for me the gasoline savings never added up to make the expensive price tag worth it. I dont like to jump on the bandwagon of brand new technologies until they are commonplace.

    When Blueray came out, did I run out to the store and buy a $600 blueray player? No
    Did I buy a 4K television? Nope. 720p still rules the masses
    I wouldnt even want a cell phone with USB-C because that is not a mainstream plug
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    Quote Originally Posted by djkenny View Post
    Would that be with the Automatic? I will not own anything auto or CVT, too many complications, plus I just do not care for them.. especially with small engines. Granted, the Fiesta I looked at was a 2015 with only 14k miles on it. Likely under 9 grand after negotiating the $10,000 asking price. It looked like a brand new car. Great Driver, too.

    I am hardly a Ford Fan, but I have liked the European style offerings, they just have more style and drive better. Also the early 90's Escort GT with the Mazda powertrain.

    I am a little bit surprised they are no longer going to offer the Fiesta. Maybe not profitable enough in the USA? I am well aware of the automatic transmission issues and recalls they had on these, but otherwise they seem to be pretty forgiving.

    My likely purchase (if I cannot get the Mirage comfortable for me, or a super good deal) is a electric car or a hybrid plug in, a few years old with under 35k.
    Wait til next year, the tesla model 3 is suppossed to starting at 35k. https://www.tesla.com/model3?redirect=no

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pryme View Post
    Lots of "American" cars are now built elsewhere. I wonder how many ppl who have a Chevy crew cab half ton realize their truck is built in Mexico lol
    Most dodge trucks are built in Mexico too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djkenny View Post
    Would that be with the Automatic? I will not own anything auto or CVT, too many complications, plus I just do not care for them.. especially with small engines. Granted, the Fiesta I looked at was a 2015 with only 14k miles on it. Likely under 9 grand after negotiating the $10,000 asking price. It looked like a brand new car. Great Driver, too.

    I am hardly a Ford Fan, but I have liked the European style offerings, they just have more style and drive better. Also the early 90's Escort GT with the Mazda powertrain.

    I am a little bit surprised they are no longer going to offer the Fiesta. Maybe not profitable enough in the USA? I am well aware of the automatic transmission issues and recalls they had on these, but otherwise they seem to be pretty forgiving.

    My likely purchase (if I cannot get the Mirage comfortable for me, or a super good deal) is a electric car or a hybrid plug in, a few years old with under 35k.
    I'm with you on the manual transmissions. I can make a small car really perform with a manual transmission, and I can't see an automatic or CVT in a low-horsepower car. I've driven much larger cars with automatic transmissions, and they all seem to be sluggish. Plus, as you said, there are fewer things to go wrong with a manual transmission. Every automatic transmission that I know about has always had to have service done on it, and that service was expensive.

    I agree also with fc321 that the time is not yet right to buy an electric car. We're getting there but are not quite there yet. I'd like to see some advances in battery technology before I would buy one. Having said that, the Smart Car Fortwo is going all electric in 2018.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fummins View Post
    Wait til next year, the tesla model 3 is suppossed to starting at 35k. https://www.tesla.com/model3?redirect=no


    I am far from that well to do. Strictly looking at cars 10 grand or less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc321 View Post
    Mine was automatic. Dual Clutch transmission controlled by a computer. And that is the problem, too complicated gizmo and sure enough it fails and breaks. Too much complexity like a Rube Goldberg machine.

    Thats why I like the manual transmission on the Mirage, a simple design. Less prone to failure.

    Electric cars are too proprietary. If you need to get them serviced it will cost a fortune and has to be done by the dealer or a specialist.

    And for me the gasoline savings never added up to make the expensive price tag worth it. I dont like to jump on the bandwagon of brand new technologies until they are commonplace.

    When Blueray came out, did I run out to the store and buy a $600 blueray player? No
    Did I buy a 4K television? Nope. 720p still rules the masses
    I wouldnt even want a cell phone with USB-C because that is not a mainstream plug

    I've put a substantial amount of thought into this. The thing with EVs is that ones with only 25k miles, barely 3 years old, are actually very cheap. Leafs and Sparks are under 8 grand. If I got a 2012 Leaf with 25k for 5-6k, I'd be a happy camper as well.

    Now take into account they never need an oil change. Never need a timing chain. Ever need a tune up.. AND never need gas. There's generally less moving parts.

    Range? More than enough for my needs. I live in a dense city with everything within 2-15 miles. If I needed to charge even once a week at home overnight, that would mean I drive a crap ton.

    Now, sure.. there will come a time when the battery will fail and I'll drop 4 grand to have it replaced, but I'll also likely go 100k and 10 yrs until that happens. With alllll those years of not needing so many things done.

    Even if I need a specialist for a water pump in the middle of all those years.. even if it's $400 to get it done.. I think I will make it out alright because I bought the car for 5 grand and never needed to use oil or get much done.

    Besides, if we really needed the longer distances that 1-2 times per year, my wife owns a new Subaru. Having an EV makes total sense for us.

    I cannot afford a 35 grand Tesla anyway, but it seems popular for folks to recommend than. 200 miles or more range really does not matter to me much. Besides, 5-9 grand verses 35 grand is quite a stretch.

    Also I drive less than 5-6k a year. I'd prefer to not have a car that will not respond well the oil sitting and such. The EV should do better with minimal use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djkenny View Post
    I've put a substantial amount of thought into this. The thing with EVs is that ones with only 25k miles, barely 3 years old, are actually very cheap. Leafs and Sparks are under 8 grand. If I got a 2012 Leaf with 25k for 5-6k, I'd be a happy camper as well.

    Now take into account they never need an oil change. Never need a timing chain. Ever need a tune up.. AND never need gas. There's generally less moving parts.

    Range? More than enough for my needs. I live in a dense city with everything within 2-15 miles. If I needed to charge even once a week at home overnight, that would mean I drive a crap ton.

    Now, sure.. there will come a time when the battery will fail and I'll drop 4 grand to have it replaced, but I'll also likely go 100k and 10 yrs until that happens. With alllll those years of not needing so many things done.

    Even if I need a specialist for a water pump in the middle of all those years.. even if it's $400 to get it done.. I think I will make it out alright because I bought the car for 5 grand and never needed to use oil or get much done.

    Besides, if we really needed the longer distances that 1-2 times per year, my wife owns a new Subaru. Having an EV makes total sense for us.

    I cannot afford a 35 grand Tesla anyway, but it seems popular for folks to recommend than. 200 miles or more range really does not matter to me much. Besides, 5-9 grand verses 35 grand is quite a stretch.

    Also I drive less than 5-6k a year. I'd prefer to not have a car that will not respond well the oil sitting and such. The EV should do better with minimal use.
    You're sure all over the place when it comes to cars lol.

    I drive each of my 2 cars about 4k a year. 1 oil change a year synthetic done myself. Costs about 20 bucks a year for M1 change.
    Timing chain won't ever need replacing.

    You won't hesitate to drop 4k on a battery but are talking about the tune up you will need once every 100k miles on a modern car and the 1 oil change you will need a year?

    What happens when you want to go in a road trip? A vacation? Etc

    A cheap gas car is far more economical than an electric in 2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pryme View Post
    You're sure all over the place when it comes to cars lol.

    I drive each of my 2 cars about 4k a year. 1 oil change a year synthetic done myself. Costs about 20 bucks a year for M1 change.
    Timing chain won't ever need replacing.

    You won't hesitate to drop 4k on a battery but are talking about the tune up you will need once every 100k miles on a modern car and the 1 oil change you will need a year?

    What happens when you want to go in a road trip? A vacation? Etc

    A cheap gas car is far more economical than an electric in 2017.
    Agree with this completely. The Mirage require very little maintenance. Really just gas and oil. Gas has been so cheap that a $20 tank should last a month if the car is only being driven 2-15 miles at a time. Oil changes are only recommended every 7500 miles, so once a year is about right.

    These cars cost peanuts to buy, peanuts to drive, peanuts to insure, and peanuts to maintain.

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    Pryme you have a point that the math doesn’t always add up but I too think an electric car would work fine for city use, especially for short trips where an internal combustion engine doesn't have enough time to reach operating temperature.

    Plus it would be fun to rent something splashy for the occasional road trip. This would of course save the big miles and wear on the daily drivers.


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