Page 4 of 9 FirstFirst ... 23456 ... LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 82

Thread: Speedlab intake, header, and custom tune!

  1. #31
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Jamesburg, NJ
    Country
    United States
    Posts
    116
    Garage empty: add car
    Thanks
    2
    Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts
    I've already ruined the exhaust to the point that starting from scratch would actually be an improvement.



  2. #32
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Location
    Sydney
    Country
    Australia
    Posts
    601
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked 105 Times in 76 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Dorifuta View Post
    I've already ruined the exhaust to the point that starting from scratch would actually be an improvement.
    Haha fair enough

  3. #33
    Senior Member GrnBn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    NC
    Country
    United States
    Posts
    131
    Thanks
    59
    Thanked 31 Times in 20 Posts
    I don't know where you're at with this, but for everyone else considering it a 2in. diameter might be a bit large for our cars. Consider that too large of a diameter causes flow stagnation, adversely affecting performance and economy. I think, considering our low displacement, a 1.5in. pipe would be plenty. Check out this awesome chart, it gives you a pretty reasonable approximation. See how even a 1.5-1.75in. covers the reasonable HP outputs our little Mirage is going to see without turbocharging. Once we're boosting them, 2in. will probably be much more appropriate.

    http://www.exhaustvideos.com/faq/how...pipe-diameter/

  4. #34
    Car Guru
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    Waco, Texas
    Country
    United States
    Posts
    638
    Thanks
    156
    Thanked 182 Times in 122 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by GrnBn View Post
    I don't know where you're at with this, but for everyone else considering it a 2in. diameter might be a bit large for our cars. Consider that too large of a diameter causes flow stagnation, adversely affecting performance and economy. I think, considering our low displacement, a 1.5in. pipe would be plenty. Check out this awesome chart, it gives you a pretty reasonable approximation. See how even a 1.5-1.75in. covers the reasonable HP outputs our little Mirage is going to see without turbocharging. Once we're boosting them, 2in. will probably be much more appropriate.

    http://www.exhaustvideos.com/faq/how...pipe-diameter/

    I've measured the stock pipe and it is 1.5".
    Certified holder of useless car knowledge.

  5. #35
    Senior Member Ares's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Houston
    Country
    United States
    Posts
    1,908
    Thanks
    42
    Thanked 201 Times in 142 Posts
    I can see how increasing diameter will lose efficiency in the low RPM range, but is bound to be more efficient in the high RPM range.

    Because none of us really use the mirage at 7k rpm all the time, I think upgrading the exhaust is a mute point at this time.

    I know, for a fact, that I will be turning my mirage into a weekend-track-worrior after a few years. I'll probably increase the exhaust diameter then as I'll probably always be above 5k RPM.

  6. #36
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Location
    Sydney
    Country
    Australia
    Posts
    601
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked 105 Times in 76 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Ares View Post
    I can see how increasing diameter will lose efficiency in the low RPM range, but is bound to be more efficient in the high RPM range.

    Because none of us really use the mirage at 7k rpm all the time, I think upgrading the exhaust is a mute point at this time.

    I know, for a fact, that I will be turning my mirage into a weekend-track-worrior after a few years. I'll probably increase the exhaust diameter then as I'll probably always be above 5k RPM.
    Rev limit is at 6750ish anyway :P

  7. #37
    Senior Member Ares's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Houston
    Country
    United States
    Posts
    1,908
    Thanks
    42
    Thanked 201 Times in 142 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Mistah JT View Post
    Rev limit is at 6750ish anyway :P
    For now ;p

  8. #38
    Senior Member GrnBn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    NC
    Country
    United States
    Posts
    131
    Thanks
    59
    Thanked 31 Times in 20 Posts
    Even at high RPM, a too large pipe causes flow irregularity. You want the skinny pipe we've got because it forces the gases to flow in a smooth and even fashion. With a turbo you want swirl and tumble in your air/exhaust stream, but with our puny NA motor, we want silky smooth flow. Really and truly, we don't make enough power to need a larger pipe. Just straight pipe it at 1.5in. from the headers back, and let all three cylinders howl!

  9. #39
    Senior Member Ares's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Houston
    Country
    United States
    Posts
    1,908
    Thanks
    42
    Thanked 201 Times in 142 Posts
    There's a fine line between too large (maybe 2" or 2.25") and optimum. It's a fact that the current engine is tuned for best overall (biased towards city, I'm sure).

    For people who do a lot of freeway driving, I'm sure a larger (1.75") free pipe (and a tune, of course) will result in more efficiency.

  10. #40
    Car Guru
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    Waco, Texas
    Country
    United States
    Posts
    638
    Thanks
    156
    Thanked 182 Times in 122 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Ares View Post
    There's a fine line between too large (maybe 2" or 2.25") and optimum. It's a fact that the current engine is tuned for best overall (biased towards city, I'm sure).

    For people who do a lot of freeway driving, I'm sure a larger (1.75") free pipe (and a tune, of course) will result in more efficiency.

    For a 5 speed you may be right, but for the CVT equipped cars, the stock 1.5" exhaust is going to be the best at highway speeds since at 60 mph you are only running at 1800-2000 rpm.


    The key with any exhaust work is you need to maintain exhaust velocity which will help to scavenge exhaust gases out of the combustion chamber. However, it also depends on how much overlap there is in the stock cam timing between the intake and exhaust valves. You want good exhaust velocity, but you also want good exhaust flow. ANY amount of back pressure is bad.

    Even if you are racing, the stock diameter pipe will flow plenty at stock power levels. You would just want to replace the stock muffler with either a straight pipe or a 100% straight through muffler. However, trying to find a muffler that has a 1.5" inlet and outlet is incredibly difficult.


    Certified holder of useless car knowledge.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •