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My Walmart has Mobil 1, advanced economy blend, 0w-20w for ~$28/4.73l jug. Pennzoil Ultra Platinum[ for ~$27/5l jug, Castrol Edge for ~$26/5l jug.
I haven't changed my oil manually myself for awhile but for Canada, these prices don't seem too bad. I'm sure you can find other deals for a couple of bucks less but if you need it now or want to put some away for future changes.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Super-Tec...arts/254038905
$14 and works well for me. It's the same stuff as the Amazon basics oil.
I do my own oil changes, & I have been using Mobil 1 0W-20. Once I use up my last jug of Mobil 1, I am switching to something else. These are the 7 reasons why below -
Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy Full Synthetic Motor Oil 0W-20
Mobil 1 Extended Performance Full Synthetic Motor Oil 0W-20
Mobil 1 Extended Performance High Mileage Formula Motor Oil 0W-20
Mobil 1 High Mileage Full Synthetic Motor Oil 0W-20
Mobil 1 Annual Protection Synthetic Motor Oil 0W-20
Mobil 1 Truck & SUV 0W-20
Mobil 1™ ESP X2 0W-20
I have become a little put off by the marketing of Mobil 1 products. I am going to switch to a brand that offers one or two 0W-20 options & then stick with it. I see myself going with SuperTech 0W-20 in the near future, too!
Personally, I don't know of a bad 0W-20 oil. Pretty much all 0W-20 oils are going to be a synthetic product. I think it's more important to do frequent oil changes and use a quality oil filter.
Interesting. What makes you conclude that they are the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirageman38
Mark, the seven different versions you list are all for different purposes. Choose the one that suits your needs. I'm impressed that Mobil offers so many different versions of their products.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
In the end it doesn't really matter that much so long as the oil is changed on a regular basis according to the manufacturer's instructions, as you have said.
That and make sure the lubricant meets the recommended criteria i.e. ILSAC.
I don't mean to totally knock Mobil 1, but they have made buying oil seem like buying Frito-Lay potato chips. I was only listing their 0W-20 products, too. There's more choices out there! I'm sure Mobil 1 is a very good product. It may be the best! Which one is best for my Mirage? Asked them & you get a huge list of choices.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eggman
This has been a bit of a process for me. For years, I used conventional oils. I basically used 5W-30 or 10W-30 SuperTech oil for most everything (my list of things goes beyond cars). Synthetic oil sort of entered my world when I purchased my used 2011 Forester in 2013. I didn't find SuperTech 0W-20 on the shelf. My local Walmart still doesn't carry it today. I checked! Other nearby Walmart stores do. I alway change my own oil, & at first Mobil 1 0W-20 was the most obvious choice on the shelf @ Walmart & other stores. Thus for the past 5-6 years I have been using Mobil 1 in my Forester & Mirage. 0W-20 has gone from being somewhat rare to being the one the most popular oils on the market. Thus, more products exist, or they can be found on store shelves at least now.
Steve's "cheap plastic car" (Mirage with 270,000+ miles) has done extremely well on 5W-30 conventional oil changed every 5,000 miles. Likewise, my local mechanic recommends 5,000 mile synthetic oil changes for our driver's education cars. Most mechanics I respect also feel the changing your oil frequently and using a quality oil filter is the most important thing you can do for your car. I sense this is a genuine belief, & not just someone trying to sell you on service.
I've been doing 3,000 mile oil changes with conventional oils for decades. Mobil 1 claiming some of their oils can go 20,000 miles doesn't overly impress me, but I'll be the first to admit that I am not totally sold on all the hype of synthetic oil either. The Mirage only holds 3 quarts of oil, & I don't find changing it every 5,000 miles to be a big deal.
I realize some countries go with longer oil change intervals, and Mirages in Canada have a shorter one. A person has to do what they feel is best for their car. I've always liked SuperTech oil and it's affordable like a Mirage!
Overall, I feel changing your oil more frequently & using a good oil filter is the most important part of a car's maintenance. What type of 0W-20 oil a person uses has become a little irrelevant to me. I see some value in sticking with one product that falls within the recommendations of your vehicle.
By the way - I'm super glad Frito-Lay makes a variety of potato chips. I just don't feel the same way about 0W-20 oil. :)
They are both made by Warren. Some bottles literally say warren others you can tell by the bottle shape. As has been reported on other forums pretty much all generic store oil brands are made by Warren including Autozone. There has been extensive testing on youtube videos and Warren performs just as well as Mobile 1 or any of the other wizz-bang oils. It meets the exact same SAE standards. I myself am not going to pay double for the exact same oil because it says a brand name. Combine this with a decent quality Fram filter guaranteed to go at least 7,500 and removes 99% of dirt vs the 95% and I think you are good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eggman
I plan to do Fram Tough guard or ultra synthetic and will do it every 7500 miles as per manufacturer recommendation or twice per year. There is no reason to do it more than this unless you do some seriously straining conditions PERIOD. If you look up oil tests many synths will make it past 15k or 20k and some are guaranteed to 25k like amsoil. I bet even this Warren oil would do 15k no problem I just want to keep my warranty. After the warranty I might switch to once per year and 15,000 miles (If so I will share the results but don't expect this for a few years LOL). I see no reason to run conventional. I don't want to have to change my oil as much and the difference in price is $1 so the synthetic is guaranteed to be better for your engine and need to be changed 50% less for only $1 more (supertech $13 vs 14). That said as long as you change the conventional enough you will be fine with that too. The important thing is getting a filter that will last as long as the oil.
Many people way overchange the oil and get attached to certain brands. You end up throwing a LOT of money away over 200k+ miles. If you are doing synthetic mobile one every 3k you are literally throwing away thousands of dollars.
The Mobil offerings may be extreme to say the least....but....I wanted to try the annual protection 20,000 mile stuff on my '14. Walmart didn't have any. I picked up several of the advanced economy and at the till it rang up @$22.97/jug. That's only $3 more than other brand mentioned so I don't feel like I'm throwing money away. I'll change my '17 2x/year, using a mid-grade filter and not lose any sleep over things.
I'm undecided how I plan to service my high mile car.
Oil obviously must have miraculous properties, maybe not all oil, but I'm thinking of the oil that lubricates the roller bearings of the 70,000rpm compressor blades on a Rolls Trent or CFM56. That's serious stress and oil performance. If any of that science makes it into our car engine oil, some must, then we really do have the best of all worlds.
Personally, I have never heard of anyone changing synthetic oil every 3,000 mile or even advocating for that? If a person wants to do 3,000 mile oil changes, they may as well use conventional oil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirageman38
Using 0W-20 oil dictates using a synthetic oil of some type. There are two maintenance schedules for the Mirage that indicate 3,750 mile or 7,500 mile oil/filter change intervals. A person should do what they feel is best for their car.
I wouldn't make a blanket statement about more frequent oil changes is throwing a lot of money away. If a person's engine lasts much longer with fewer issues, it may be money well spent.
I see 5,000 mile oil changes as a happy medium for synthetic oil. It's only 3 quarts of oil, & SuperTech 0W-20 isn't that much more expensive than most conventional oils anyways.
If a person is really sold on Mobil 1, they run some good rebates in the States at different times of year.
Here's a good read from Edmunds: http://www.edmunds.com/car-care/stop...-your-oil.html
and a decent read from Time: http://business.time.com/2011/06/14/...ry-3000-miles/
From my driving history twice yearly oil changes works out to about every 7,500 miles or 12,500kms. I'll be happy with that schedule knowing my oil and filter are likely as good as anything out there. I think any more frequent is overkill and anything less might be allowing undesired wear.
I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirageman38
Warren makes custom blends for various private labels. I wouldn't expect the formula to be equal from Amazon Synthetic to SuperTech Synthetic, though I suppose it is possible. I thought that maybe you had some test results proving that they are the same.
Both good products that exceed Mitsubishi specifications, right? So no worries with either.
Lol, why does every thread that even mentions oil turn into a 'Bob is the Oil Guy' discussion?:)
The most important thing you can do as far as oil goes is...keep it changed. I seriously doubt that a Mirage will last longer or die faster depending solely on which exact oil is used for those religious 5,000 mile oil changes. Any synthetic oil is so good now that you can pretty much take your pick.
I use Mobil 1 for one simple reason...I trust it. It isn't Super Tech cheap, but it isn't Royal Purple expensive, either. I now have 130,000 stop-and-go miles on my car, and when I take my oil filler cap off the engine looks as clean inside as it did when I bought it.
Because no other website goes into such detail discussing lubricants and the various choices out there. I find it interesting how it brings out discussion, even here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobrajet
Don't forget about the Petroleum Quality Institute of America.
I wonder if it's because of the synthetic base stock or the detergents and additives used these days that helps make it last. I thought the synthetic base stock helps the lubricant flow in cold operation, and the detergents & additives help keep stuff clean. With that in mind, a conventional lubricant would suffice most in warm climates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobrajet
Well said. Now, let's see some pictures. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobrajet
Thankfully, the Mirage is a durable little car. Your Mirage with 130,000 miles is a testament to that. Likewise, Steve's Mirage has over twice that many miles on his Mirage, & his car had done equally as well on 5W-30 conventional oil changed every 5,000 miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobrajet
Would these cars being doing as well with longer oil change intervals? Who knows? In Steve's case, he's receiving free oil changes (over 50 of them now). Why not take advantage of that?
Likewise, Fummins' fleet of Mirages are receiving relatively frequent oil changes. Engine-wise those cars are doing extremely well, too.
Man, I love some good potato chips. Lays has their own thing going on, but there are some local producers that'll knock your socks off too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I can't keep a bag in the house. Once it's open, they don't last. It's better to not even buy them in the first place, they're not exactly healthy haha. In fact, we bought a couple bags for watching Sunday football games - time to buy some more. :p
Hey do whatever floats your boat. I am just adding my 2 cents.
Just for the record - I think you made some excellent points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirageman38
Since Steve's Mirage (270,000 miles) has done so well with conventional oil changed every 5,000 miles, I figure SuperTech full synthetic oil changed every 5,000 miles should do as well or better! SuperTech synthetic isn't much more expensive than conventional oil. Amazon Basics, Mobil 1, & others should also do a great job!
If a person is using a quality oil filter like the ones you mentioned, 7,500 miles is probably not a big deal! Some of the new Ford vehicles are going with 10,000 mile oil changes, & Motorcraft oils are just a synthetic/blend. Ford must feel 10,000 mile synthetic/blend oil changes will get them past warranty at least. :)
I tend to be a bit skeptical of all this, because my first 0W-20 oil vehicle (Subaru) had its engine replaced @ 90,000 miles (zero cost to me). It was burning at least one quart of oil every 1,000 miles. A young friend, who doesn't check his oil level between oil changes, found out that his same type vehicle (5.5 quarts of oil) had 1.5 quarts of oil left (no warning light went off either). That oil change involved a new engine (short block replacement), too.
Since this was my first synthetic oil vehicle, I changed my oil every 6,000 miles (instead of the recommended 7,500). I used Mobil 1 0W-20. I'm smart enough to realize this problem isn't related to Mobil 1. When I picked up my Forester, 7 other ones were waiting to have their short blocks replaced.
I am not convinced today's vehicles are made better than the vehicles of 20 years ago. On a personal level, I will no longer pay big bucks for any new vehicle that has a new type of engine &/or transmission. I will only buy vehicles with powertrains that have proven themselves for a number of years first. Auto makers can experiment with someone else's money! :)
I did a lot of research before buying my 2017 Mirage ES manual. 2 years later I am still very happy, & I expect to stay that way for quite some time!
The quality...or more specifically...the purity of synthetic base stocks is a large part of it. Refined dino-oil has impurities in the base stock that break down with heat and mileage. Think of them as "weak links" in the oil's molecular chain. No matter how carefully it is refined, these impurities remain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eggman
Since synthetic is, well...synthetic, it does not have these impurities. Synthetic base stock actually does not break down at all under the conditions found in a normal passenger car engine. It can be re-refined and reused, and some companies actually sell this recycled product and label it as such (like Valvoline NextGen).
What does break down are the things added deliberately to the base stock, like detergents, viscosity modifiers, etc, and things not added deliberately like unburned fuel, carbon, water vapor, and metal shavings. This is why it needs to be changed.
But since modern oil additives are so good, synthetic base stocks are so pure, and engines run so clean, we can have 15,000 mile OCIs nowadays.
So in theory if we had a way to purify used synthetic oil and replace the additives it had we have "new" oil ready for another 15k miles? Would a fine enough filter remove all the compounds that matter or is distillation still required? The additives can't be that expensive in bulk so could someone package up the additives to mix in with purified oil?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobrajet
I read someone tens of millions of quarts of oil end up not be disposed of properly annually. If synthetic could last forever that's unforgivable. But, I can see why oil companies wouldn't want this inconvenient little fact to become widespread.
Sadly unless you live in a part of Canada that doesn't get too hot or too cold and only drive on asphalt you fall under the severe service schedule which calls for 6000kms/3728 mile oil change intervals. Iirc the USA has a different schedule than Canada
I think used oil is being marketed under this premise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wallythacker
Yes. One example is Valvoline NextGen. When you take that used oil in to Pep Boys or Autozone to dispose of it, this is what happens to most of it. It is re-refined, and resold. From what I understand, re-refining used motor oil down to it's pure base stock isn't that difficult. The quality of the recycled product may not be quite as high as new virgin synthetic oil, but it is quite good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eggman
Oh, and those auto parts stores SELL the oil you bring to them for disposal. It is worth money...ask Valvoline!