Mitsubishi Mirage 2025 EV

[littlemoule]

https://natural-resources.canada.ca/...ity/7359#trade
This article states that nuclear energy is expected to decrease so that was one of my sources apart from Hydro.
It is an interesting read all of it, it touches on transmission and topics like that.
I really like my gas power mirage, but I can’t ignore the fact that EV has taken a huge leap forward and very likely that the future is EV and not gas. ⛽️

[BigMW]

https://natural-resources.canada.ca/...ity/7359#trade
This article states that nuclear energy is expected to decrease so that was one of my sources apart from Hydro.
It is an interesting read all of it, it touches on transmission and topics like that.
I really like my gas power mirage, but I can’t ignore the fact that EV has taken a huge leap forward and very likely that the future is EV and not gas. ⛽️

The article is interesting indeed, but 9 years old, which was before the big push towards EVs.

I'm personally counting on hydrogen fuel cell development. Maybe not necessarily as a source of power in individual vehicles, but as a general storage medium. If we were able to efficiently store electricity, wind and solar generation would make more sense in Canada.

[Eggman]

Eggman illustrated my point of mental health by adding a point or two about physical health as well with better finesse than I could have. By no means I was pointing to the fact that mental health directly equates material things (although in certain instances it does - for example having a house/apartment), but as Eggman pointed out, it is the change of lifestyle through a material thing (EV in this case) that has certain advantages no doubt.

Are you referring to taking a break during a long drive? We wouldn't need an EV for that. Most travelers see longer trips as something to get through, not enjoyed.

And I question the claim that money can't buy happiness. It can alleviate suffering. Is that the same thing? I guess it's debatable.

I plan to keep my gas mirage but I am curious about EVs too. Eggman, how is the TCO of your Tesla?

You know, I'm not inclined to go into too much detail about what I've paid for my cars whether it's a Tesla, a Mitsubishi Mirage, a Jeep CJ-7, or any of the multitude pieces of used junk I nursed along in my driving days. I've driven some nice cars, some okay, and some real junkers. Heck for one year I did most all my commuting to work by bicycle because I was tired of cars & I wanted to see what it was like (that was fun, challenging & eye-opening.) In the end, they're just cars. Sometimes I really resent my/our reliance on them.


Regarding the total cost of ownership on my Tesla, that's difficult to quantify. I want to keep it for a long time as that would give the best chances at recovering the extra cost involved. On the other hand, I made my decision to get a Tesla from the perspective that this is an experiment - just like when I purchased my Speck. If it didn't work out, I could always put it up for sale.

At the time I was deciding on what to buy to replace Speck, Teslas were in high demand. Used ones were hard to come by and were not much less than new. Those used prices were affected by the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the subsequent impact on global petroleum prices. Lots of other drivers in the market for a new car were affected by the uncertain petroleum supply. I see two things have happened since - the petroleum market has stabilized somewhat and the demand for EVs has been satisfied. In turn, sales for new models have slowed and used prices have dropped.

In any case, I probably would have bought an EV despite what was happening with petroleum at the time. I believed and still believe that it is important to start finding ways to live without a dependency on petroleum. So for me, buying a Tesla EV wasn't a financial decision with a focus on total cost of ownership - I personally want to get away from burning fossil fuels. And today there are more ways than ever to do just that.


Here's another way to look at this. When a household acquires an EV, it usually becomes the primary vehicle for most transportation tasks. I was also initially reluctant to take it on long trips - until I actually took it on a long trip and realized that charging on the road is not a problem. The charging infrastructure is in place, it works, and is expected to only improve.

That is what is so curious - to hear people who don't own an EV, have never even driven one, criticize them out of ignorance. It reminds me of a post made here not too long ago - it's like arguing with a seventh-grader (someone who has much to learn whether they want to or not.)


Edit: According to my app, so far I have $2,400 in gas savings in 27 months of ownership - some of that was sitting in storage for its first winter. The more I drive it, the more this savings adds up - especially long distance trips. So if the gas savings is a factor for someone deciding about the total cost of ownership, the more miles driven an EV becomes an even more obvious choice when compared to a gas-burner.

[Grumpy Bear]

Are you referring to taking a break during a long drive? We wouldn't need an EV for that. Most travelers see longer trips as something to get through, not enjoyed.

I am that rare bird. Destinations are anticlimactic for me. The journey IS the destination. This, however, is the last year I will/have done Chicago to Denver in two days. At 70, three will now become my usual. Minimum. Maybe four. I LOVE driving mindless miles to nowhere in particular. Backroad exploration. Yea, retired and I know. Some fish, some camp, some golf. I drive.

An EV with an HONEST 350 under any circumstances miles and a grid putting lost in the mountains worry on the back burner would change my mind. For now, my interest in an EV lays more in the under 50 commute to town saving the gas burner for entertainment driving duty. Pure Utility.

Oh, and to hook me, a price that does not reflect the OEM's wish to keep my gas saving money to themselves. The cost is silly.

[Eggman]

Oh, and to hook me, a price that does not reflect the OEM's wish to keep my gas saving money to themselves. The cost is silly.

I agree, these shouldn't be so expensive to purchase. I really hope this changes as time goes along.

And backroads are the best, especially if you have the time. It's like the difference between flying and driving - so much is missed flying. Traveling Interstate Highways allows better views of the landscape but there's nothing like being able to stop & visit little towns along the backroads.

Have you heard about the proposed Tesla Roadster? It boasts 0-60mph at 1.9 seconds, 250+mph top speed and a 620 mile range. Comes complete with a stupid price tag and steering wheel to match. But supercar performance at a fraction of the price.

[Eggman]

(if I HAD to get an EV) I hate Telsa as a company and their cars are pretty mid quality, plus not being able to repair or service the car yourself, but its still the only EV I would consider.

I'm glad you brought this up. Comparing two years of ownership of my Model 3 and five years with Speck, I was at the Mitsubishi dealership more - a lot more.

I've been to the Tesla dealership to replace a tire damaged from road debris (not a warranty thing) and the other was for a taillight housing that took on & held water. It looked like a little fish tank. A service tech came out in a Model S for the repair - the back seat was removed and it was basically converted to a service vehicle complete with tools strewn all about, a hydraulic floor jack and a few other things. I got a kick out of the notion that they used their more expensive model sedan for field service work. The tech says he only ever charges at Superchargers and has never had a problem with the battery.

But yeah my Mirage had more problems than this Model 3:
1. Battery was replaced due to acid leak
2. Rear axle replaced due to alignment*
3. Fuel pump replaced due to vapor leak (suspected crack in fuel pump housing)*
4. Rear suspension on the 2014 - 2015 model years was soft so I spent time and money trying different ways to address this, including two sets of junkyard springs, a failed anti-sway bar, and eventually an air-bag kit.*

*problems reported by other Mirage owners here on the forum.


The Tesla Model 3:
1. Leaky taillight.
2. I'm sure something else will fail.

The first four years of ownership has some full-coverage warranty - here's hoping I use it while I've got it, and here's hoping I don't need it.

But I still loved my Speck and miss it in the driveway.

I'm curious to know more about the claims of 'mid quality' of Teslas because that's not been my experience.

[OrganicFoxes]

I'm glad you brought this up. Comparing two years of ownership of my Model 3 and five years with Speck, I was at the Mitsubishi dealership more - a lot more.

I've been to the Tesla dealership to replace a tire damaged from road debris (not a warranty thing) and the other was for a taillight housing that took on & held water. It looked like a little fish tank. A service tech came out in a Model S for the repair - the back seat was removed and it was basically converted to a service vehicle complete with tools strewn all about, a hydraulic floor jack and a few other things. I got a kick out of the notion that they used their more expensive model sedan for field service work. The tech says he only ever charges at Superchargers and has never had a problem with the battery.

But yeah my Mirage had more problems than this Model 3:
1. Battery was replaced due to acid leak
2. Rear axle replaced due to alignment*
3. Fuel pump replaced due to vapor leak (suspected crack in fuel pump housing)*
4. Rear suspension on the 2014 - 2015 model years was soft so I spent time and money trying different ways to address this, including two sets of junkyard springs, a failed anti-sway bar, and eventually an air-bag kit.*

*problems reported by other Mirage owners here on the forum.


The Tesla Model 3:
1. Leaky taillight.
2. I'm sure something else will fail.

The first four years of ownership has some full-coverage warranty - here's hoping I use it while I've got it, and here's hoping I don't need it.

But I still loved my Speck and miss it in the driveway.

I'm curious to know more about the claims of 'mid quality' of Teslas because that's not been my experience.

A family member of mine has a 2022 or 2023 model Y and IN MY OPINION is a horrible vehicle.

They have been into the service repair center multiple times for stupid things breaking that were covered under warranty, I can not name them off the top of my head but I could call and ask. The whole camera system stopped working recently as well. They were in contact with Tesla for HOURS and they were no help what so ever. After some weeks it started working again out of nowhere and then they canceled their service appointment. The rear driver side window has a gap between the glass and the car and makes whistling noises at high speeds and you can feel the air blowing in when you sit back there.

All the panel gaps are the car are laughably horrible and makes the mirage look like some luxury high end put together car. The interior is also the same way just not as bad. If you press on almost anything inside the car it makes cheap plastic noise and squeaks at least twice as loud as my 110k mile mirage does.

EVERYTHING is done on that stupid screen in the car and seems incredibly dangerous to me. The voice assistant is USELESS, and you HAVE to take your eyes off the road to do anything and its like 99999999 steps to do some simple action. The car has full self driving and also seems, incredibly dangerous. The full self driving feels like a 15 year old that just got their learners permit. Even if the self driving was good, the fact I zoned out so much because I FORGOT I WAS DRIVING A CAR is really concerning. Oh yeah even on all the slowest settings with self driving IT SPEEDS UP FASTER THEN IF YOU FLOOR THE MIRAGE, almost all the time. Arent Teslas like some of the most crashed vehicles right now or something? Yeah I wonder why.

Having software updates like a phone is insane, if your car is old enough it just wont update anymore or what? I do not want to rely on some company for my car to get software fixes and updates and what not. Also they do bs like sell cars with a feature but you cant use it until a software update like with their ugly truck. I am the type of person that NEEDS to own 100% of my device and does not want to rely on a company what so ever. For example how on Xbox you need a microsoft account to use it and need to be online to first start up PHYSICAL COPIES. Like damn do you even own it at that point.

I am not a tin foil hat person but at least my mirage in theory can not be remotely deactivated and Mitsubishi could care less what I do with THE PRODUCT I BOUGHT. I have been obsessed over wanting to have a completely off grid house but not be in the middle of nowhere. It is just cool to me when I do not need to rely on anyone else. Same concept goes for my technology, I feel like I do not even own the thing if I even slightly have to rely on a company for the product I OWN to function.

There is so many other things I hate about Teslas cars like the turn signal stocks and no apple carplay but there are some I do like. The whole Tesla app on my phone is pretty damn convenient and nice, STILL have to rely on a company tho. Also the super charging was not that bad on roadtrips as I thought and I did not mind it but I still prefer using a gas station.

At the end of the day I would still just prefer to live in a walkable friendly city where I can bike and not even have to deal with cars. I like cars because its fun, not because I AM FORCED TO USE IT FOR ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING. Okay hope this helps bye.

[Marklovski]

https://natural-resources.canada.ca/...ity/7359#trade
This article states that nuclear energy is expected to decrease so that was one of my sources apart from Hydro.
It is an interesting read all of it, it touches on transmission and topics like that.
I really like my gas power mirage, but I can’t ignore the fact that EV has taken a huge leap forward and very likely that the future is EV and not gas. ⛽️

I like how they're trying to push EVs and then reduce nuclear energy, then tell you not to charge your car because the power grid can't handle it.

[OrganicFoxes]

I like how they're trying to push EVs and then reduce nuclear energy, then tell you not to charge your car because the power grid can't handle it.

Forces electric vehicles on us for the environment and still proceeds to have little to no right to repair. Oh its broken, well you can just buy a new one. Because you know, THATS GREAT FOR THE ENVIROMENT. These companies are not for the consumers, they are for the shareholders.

[Mitsumir]

Battery-powered vehicles make no sense in areas with winters in -10C or lower temperatures.
Many tried despite obvious reasons - and they all failed (battery-powered public buses in Montreal, same stupidity in Norway, and in few other colder climate places I dont remember now, but results were always the same: come one really cold winter day and all public transit there is "suddenly" dead ... as if they wouldn't know better lol)
If buses with tons of batteries can't make it, obviously you can forget any passenger EV with puny battery (edit: unless you live in California or near equator, of course)