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    I still have the 185-70-14 tires on the car with Civic 5.5 steel rims. I haven’t swapped my nice new 185-60-14 tires on yet (lazy). I switched over to this Honda set after I bent one of the factory steelies badly shortly after getting the new tires.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ed100 View Post
    I still have the 185-70-14 tires on the car with Civic 5.5 steel rims. I havenÂ’t swapped my nice new 185-60-14 tires on yet (lazy). I switched over to this Honda set after I bent one of the factory steelies badly shortly after getting the new tires.
    For others reading this thread, a factory size 165/65-14 tire has an outside diameter of 22.4" & a width of 6.5".

    A 185/70-14 tire has an outside diameter of 24.2" & has a width of 7.3". This is an 8% variance in outside diameter tire size. 3% variance is considered acceptable by most tire shops. I personally wouldn't use a tire that was almost 2" larger in diameter, but I am glad they worked for you. You speedometer would be off almost 5 mph off @ 60 mph, but that's not a major big deal. Your odometer would be slightly off while using these tires, too. These may or may not be factors for others.

    Your newer 185/60-14 tires have an outside diameter of 22.7" & a width of 7.3". The variance is only 1.3%, which makes it a better alternative size (& they should fit perfectly on your 5.5" wide rims). The variance of these tires with 175/55-15 factory tires (22.6") is only 0.4%. If you want wider tires, 185/60-14 tires are a great match that have good tire options to pick from.

    On-line tire calculators give you this information quite easily, & I am sharing that for new forum members more than anything.

    https://tiresize.com/calculator/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post

    Your newer 185/60-14 tires have an outside diameter of 22.7" & a width of 7.3". The variance is only 1.3%, which makes it a better alternative size (& they should fit perfectly on your 5.5" wide rims). The variance of these tires with 175/55-15 factory tires (22.6") is only 0.4%. If you want wider tires, 185/60-14 tires are a great match that have good tire options to pick from.

    On-line tire calculators give you this information quite easily, & I am sharing that for new forum members more than anything.

    https://tiresize.com/calculator/
    Yeah I knew the speedo would be off and I was surprised I had no rubbing issues other than when I’ve had to slam on the brakes a couple of times.

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    I have some alloy wheels from my 2006 Scion XA that I recently traded in on its original steelies. Their bolt pattern is 4x100. They are 15" diameter, so would need tires of an outer diameter that's Mirage compatible, if I wanted to use them for a set of winter tires. I think the width is about 5.5". I'm not sure about offset, etc. Anybody ever tried that vintage Scion rims on a Mirage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonkeyPal View Post
    I have some alloy wheels from my 2006 Scion XA that I recently traded in on its original steelies. Their bolt pattern is 4x100. They are 15" diameter, so would need tires of an outer diameter that's Mirage compatible, if I wanted to use them for a set of winter tires. I think the width is about 5.5". I'm not sure about offset, etc. Anybody ever tried that vintage Scion rims on a Mirage?
    I looked up a 2006 Scion XA, the wheel size listed was 5.5" x 15", bolt pattern 4x100, & 45 offset. Scion factory stock tire size is 185/60-15 (23.7" outside tire diameter).

    You may have a perfect set of rims for your Mirage, but I would mount 185/55-15 tires (23" outside tire diameter) on them. A lot of forum members are using 175/65-14 & 185/55-15 size tires, both tires have 23" outside tire diameters.

    A Mirage's 175/55-15 factory size tire is 22.6" outside tire diameter. 185/55-15 are 23" tires, & they are +1.8% of factory size. Anything within 3% is considered acceptable by most tire shops.

    175/55-15 = 22.6" OTD - standard factory size
    185/55-15 = 23" OTD +1.8% - good alternative
    185/60-15 = 23.7 OTD +4.9% - Scion XA size

    You may not have any issue with 185/60-15 tires, but a 175/55-15 &/or a 185/55-15 tire would be a better match (creating less clearance issues and less speedometer/odometer error). After market 5.5" wide rims are hard to find in this tire size, but they are a great size to use on the Mirage. You were wise in keeping them.!

    As far as rims side goes, both 175/55-15 & 185/55-15 tires should mount on them quite nicely. I would have a tire shop confirm all this before purchasing tires. Others may offer more insight on all this, too.
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    As long as it's the same center bore then they should fit great. Anything's better than the 4.5 in width wheels that come on the Mirage that don't fit any standard size tires because they are too skinny.

    Do yourself a favor and ditch those stock tires...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
    I looked up a 2006 Scion XA, the wheel size listed was 5.5" x 15", bolt pattern 4x100, & 45 offset. Scion factory stock tire size is 185/60-15 (23.7" outside tire diameter).

    You may have a perfect set of rims for your Mirage, but I would mount 185/55-15 tires (23" outside tire diameter) on them. A lot of forum members are using 175/65-14 & 185/55-15 size tires, both tires have 23" outside tire diameters.

    A Mirage's 175/55-15 factory size tire is 22.6" outside tire diameter. 185/55-15 are 23" tires, & they are +1.8% of factory size. Anything within 3% is considered acceptable by most tire shops.

    175/55-15 = 22.6" OTD - standard factory size
    185/55-15 = 23" OTD +1.8% - good alternative
    185/60-15 = 23.7 OTD +4.9% - Scion XA size

    You may not have any issue with 185/60-15 tires, but a 175/55-15 &/or a 185/55-15 tire would be a better match (creating less clearance issues and less speedometer/odometer error). After market 5.5" wide rims are hard to find in this tire size, but they are a great size to use on the Mirage. You were wise in keeping them.!

    As far as rims side goes, both 175/55-15 & 185/55-15 tires should mount on them quite nicely. I would have a tire shop confirm all this before purchasing tires. Others may offer more insight on all this, too.
    Thanks, Mark! Only a couple of the old Scion size tires on those alloy rims are in good condition, so I'd need to get a set of new tires to use the rims on the Mirage anyway. Mainly, if the rims fit on the Mirage as well as your research suggests, it means I have a spare set of rims I could use if I want to get a separate set of winter tires.

    I saw some 175/60R15 winter tires online that look good, but they are +4% on diameter.

    Would I have to put those pressure sensor valve stems on them, or is that optional?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonkeyPal View Post
    Thanks, Mark! Only a couple of the old Scion size tires on those alloy rims are in good condition, so I'd need to get a set of new tires to use the rims on the Mirage anyway. Mainly, if the rims fit on the Mirage as well as your research suggests, it means I have a spare set of rims I could use if I want to get a separate set of winter tires.

    I saw some 175/60R15 winter tires online that look good, but they are +4% on diameter.

    Would I have to put those pressure sensor valve stems on them, or is that optional?
    A 175/60-15 tire is 23.3" OTD, & that is only +3.1% from the 22.6" OTD factory wheels. Thus, it wouldn't be a terrible option for you.

    Top Fuel has some excellent information posted about TPMS. You can buy tire sensors that clone to your existing wheel sensors. When you change wheels, your TPMS still works without having to do anything extra. If you brought the rims & wheels to a tire shop, they would probably mount them for you without the sensors (provided the wheels are not on your car at the time). When you use the wheels without sensors, the TPMS dash light would be on. I live with the dash light being on for 3-4 months while my snow tires are on, but I am planning to try the sensors that be cloned to your original wheels in the future. If you have any interest in this, please read Top Fuel's post below.

    https://mirageforum.com/forum/showth...uick-Reference

    In my past experience with lightweight front wheel drive cars, narrow snow tires are superior to wider snow tires. Especially if you are climbing hills in the snow, the narrower tires are better. Thus, I would consider 175/65-15 tires (not very popular size here), but you may find more options with 185/55-15 tires. Since I am using 14" tires, I haven't explored what options you may have with 15" snow tires. The 175/60-15 tires you mentioned may be fine, too. They aren't that far off size-wise.

    I would never pay money for sensors unless they were cloned to my existing wheels, but that's me. It just makes more sense to clone the wheels to the car rather than try to reprogram your car every time you change wheel sets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitShane View Post
    As long as it's the same center bore then they should fit great. Anything's better than the 4.5 in width wheels that come on the Mirage that don't fit any standard size tires because they are too skinny.

    Do yourself a favor and ditch those stock tires...
    You will find lots of 175/65-14 tire options that fit on 4.5" rims. There is absolutely no reason to ditch 4.5" rims, unless you want to go with tires that are wider than 175. Going to wider wheels/tires (175 to 185) reduces your options.

    I just checked simpletire.com as an example of this.

    175/65-14 tires (23" OTD) - 190 tires option come up.

    185/55-15 tires (23" OTD) - 68 tire options come up.

    175/65-14 (23" OTD) is a tire size that gives you more options than most any other small tire size, and these tires have no problem mounting on 4.5" rims. Wider rims just add more weight to your wheels. If you truly want to use 185/55-15 tires, a 5.5" wide rim is a great size to have, but most after market stuff is going to be 6"+ wide. That's really wider than you really need for tires on a Mirage in my opinion. I think a 5-5.5" wide wheel is about perfect, but they are not popular in the after market scene. I would take a 4.5" rim over a 6" rim any day, but it really depends on what you want out of your tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonkeyPal View Post
    I have some alloy wheels from my 2006 Scion XA that I recently traded in on its original steelies. Their bolt pattern is 4x100. They are 15" diameter, so would need tires of an outer diameter that's Mirage compatible, if I wanted to use them for a set of winter tires. I think the width is about 5.5". I'm not sure about offset, etc. Anybody ever tried that vintage Scion rims on a Mirage?
    I am assuming you may have 14" tires on your Mirage. If that is the case, I would use the 14" wheels as my snow tires. Narrower, higher profile tire is better for snow.

    I would use a 165/65-14 or 175/65-14 snow tire on my narrower 14" rims.

    I would use the 15" x 5.5" rims for my primary tires, & I would probably try a 185/55-15 tire. Top Fuel suggests a good LRR tire in that size if interested.

    I would also make an effort to clone the extra set of tires to the original set of wheels.

    This is the direction I would take over time. For example, you may not want to do anything until next winter. In the meantime, you can be on the look out for a good tire deal & see if anyone will clone tire sensors in your area.



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