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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
    I sort of checked battery prices after I asked the question, & I would have done exactly the same.

    I've used Auto Zone @ times in the past, but their prices are quite high now.
    Their basic Duralast battery (group size 35) is $150.
    Their Gold Duralast is $170, & the Platinum is $200.

    Those prices make the Walmart Everstart Value (approximately $55) & Everstart Plus (approximately $70) seem like a good value. Many of these batteries are made at the same factories with different stickers slapped on them.

    Did the top clamp/J-hook bolts fit your new Everstart Group Size 35 battery?

    Seems to be some where having issues with that, but you can buy longer J-hook bolts for a few bucks.
    Perfect fit! More than enough thread.



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    My battery is the original (2015) which is excellent considering the winter temps up here.
    I should think about replacing it this fall...
    My last battery was for my lawn tractor from Walmart so I think I'll start there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strawboss View Post
    My battery is the original (2015) which is excellent considering the winter temps up here.
    I should think about replacing it this fall...
    My last battery was for my lawn tractor from Walmart so I think I'll start there.
    Now's a good time to start watching prices on batteries before the Winter season jacks up prices at the parts stores.

    It's a couple years' old now but here's a thread with various batteries that should work in our cars:
    Battery Size and Replacement

    The Interstate battery at Costco is still a great bargain.

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    I live in Florida, and am the second owner of this 2019 mirage. Last night my OEM battery needed jumped to start after stopping to deliver some food. today I replaced it. However, I knew nothing about it being a “wet battery”, so when I replaced it the fluid was at “lower level”. Is it possible it just needed topped off?

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    Topping off a low fluid level brings the acidity back to normal. Too low level increases acidity and the lead-calcium alloy plates disintegrate in time.

    If a battery needs a jump start, I would check if something electric were left on. Then I would give it a good long charge and try it out. Maybe the need for jump starting had a different cause than the battery. These Hitachi batteries, just as Yuasa brand are well known for their long lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foama View Post
    Topping off a low fluid level brings the acidity back to normal. Too low level increases acidity and the lead-calcium alloy plates disintegrate in time.

    If a battery needs a jump start, I would check if something electric were left on. Then I would give it a good long charge and try it out. Maybe the need for jump starting had a different cause than the battery. These Hitachi batteries, just as Yuasa brand are well known for their long lives.
    Top off with distilled water only. Using real sulphuric acid is better but it's a hazardous chemical to work with. then charge using a smart charger at no more than 5A, 2A is better. If you have a charger that desulphates even better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallythacker View Post
    Top off with distilled water only. Using real sulphuric acid is better but it's a hazardous chemical to work with. then charge using a smart charger at no more than 5A, 2A is better. If you have a charger that desulphates even better.

    The only time a sulfuric acid/water solution needs to be added, is when some of it gets lost, for example when the battery was turned upside down to empty it out. Distilled water is good, never tap water.

    If the plus plates are sulfated, for example due to chronic under-charging or depletion lower than allowed, it helps to charge it at 15.4 - 16.0V (at room temperature) so that the battery fluid gasses like sparkling water. The gassing for at least 12 hours clears most deposits off. Before changing a weak battery, I charge it at 16V for half a day or overnight, chances are it might come back to life.

    There is a good chapter worthwhile reading about lead-acid batteries in Wikipedia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foama View Post
    The only time a sulfuric acid/water solution needs to be added, is when some of it gets lost, for example when the battery was turned upside down to empty it out. Distilled water is good, never tap water.

    If the plus plates are sulfated, for example due to chronic under-charging or depletion lower than allowed, it helps to charge it at 15.4 - 16.0V (at room temperature) so that the battery fluid gasses like sparkling water. The gassing for at least 12 hours clears most deposits off. Before changing a weak battery, I charge it at 16V for half a day or overnight, chances are it might come back to life.

    There is a good chapter worthwhile reading about lead-acid batteries in Wikipedia.
    Do you use a constant voltage DC transformer to charge @ 16v? I have several great stable DC power supplies here and never dawned on me to use them to charge a car battery. I worry I would boil it dry if it had non removable top vents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallythacker View Post
    Do you use a constant voltage DC transformer to charge @ 16v? I have several great stable DC power supplies here and never dawned on me to use them to charge a car battery. I worry I would boil it dry if it had non removable top vents.
    Wally, years ago batteries were made with PbSb plates, nowadays with PbCa plates. These modern "with calcium" batteries need higher charging voltages, roughly one volt higher.
    Some modern battery chargers take this in account and charge with correct voltage, higher than years ago.
    If you want to clean "gas" the plus plates from phosphate with a constant voltage PSU, fully charge it with a regular charger first, then apply an external voltage of roughly 16V via a resistor to limit the current for protecting the PSU. The filament of a headlight bulb is resistor enough. Leave it on for 12-24 hours.
    If you want to read more on this topic, see Wikipedia:
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starterbatterie
    That link is in German, unfortunately the English version of the same topic has very much less info.

    I have been using this 12/24V 10A charger for a few years, and it has the correct voltage for todays batteries.
    https://www.ebay.de/itm/314139972892...Bk9SR-qstda-Yg
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    Quote Originally Posted by foama View Post
    Wally, years ago batteries were made with PbSb plates, nowadays with PbCa plates. These modern "with calcium" batteries need higher charging voltages, roughly one volt higher.
    Some modern battery chargers take this in account and charge with correct voltage, higher than years ago.
    If you want to clean "gas" the plus plates from phosphate with a constant voltage PSU, fully charge it with a regular charger first, then apply an external voltage of roughly 16V via a resistor to limit the current for protecting the PSU. The filament of a headlight bulb is resistor enough. Leave it on for 12-24 hours.
    If you want to read more on this topic, see Wikipedia:
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starterbatterie
    That link is in German, unfortunately the English version of the same topic has very much less info.

    I have been using this 12/24V 10A charger for a few years, and it has the correct voltage for todays batteries.
    https://www.ebay.de/itm/314139972892...Bk9SR-qstda-Yg
    I think he was beyond anyone's good advice, because he replaced the battery. I feel the factory battery is good one. Mine is 6.5 years old & still doing great.



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