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    for the 2015 flat style adjuster when fully retracted do the two toothed sections have teeth engaged with each other or is one completely behind the other and the toothed sections dont touch?

    a photo would be nice, the service manual does not show what it should look like fully retracted when installing new shoes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tomrad View Post
    Thanks for posting this....I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing, as far as trying to hold off on replacement until spring. I'm at 120k, and think my rear brakes should be ok for a few more months, considering I'm easy on brakes and got over 70k out of the OEM pads.
    I'd say it depends on the brake performance of your drum brakes. You know how they feel and sound.

    For me, my drums became too noisy. They would squeak squeal and grind. They would require a lot of pedal effort. My Mirage surpassed 100k miles.

    So, i replaced them and bled the system. My drums brake quietly now and the parking brake only requires a 3-4 clicks.

    How many miles did you get from your front pads?
    I made a mistake in the installation of my first new set of front pads. The left side prematurely wore out but the right was fine. This happened around 8k miles.

    I replaced them with $20 AutoZone ceramic pads. This time i managed to install them correctly. I need check how many miles I've put on them, but they look in good shape and might last me until next Spring.

    BTW, I think Fummins mentioned one of his fleet went around 140k miles on OEM shoes.
    I may still replace them sooner, sometimes I get in the mood to work on a car. Sometimes.
    That's really good value! Lol sometimes I get in the mood to work on my car too

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    Later today i plan on using this chisel kit to remove my stubborn drum nut cap. I broke a flat head screwdriver trying to remove it. It was time to invest in a chisel to remove the drum cap. 3/8" and 3/4" chisels should be plenty.

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    Wow that looks like a ton of rust on those drums. But that may be completely normal for unpainted drums. Time to hit those caps with some PB Blaster...

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    It took a little extra effort to get my caps off the last time I did it. When I put them back on this time, I put anti-seize on them.

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    I didn't use PB Blaster or penetrating oil. I just hit it with a hammer lol

    The 3/8" chisel worked perfectly, i should've gotten one years ago! I fully recommend it to Mirage owners.

    I hit the cap a little too hard like my screwdriver.

    I will add some anti seize when they go back on. Upon initial inspection, my brakes look great. They look like they have some life left.

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    I thought you had a 2015? Did you get a newer Mirage or did you swap to the newer drums?

    Hey...I borrowed your idea for rotating brake shoes. I checked mine a couple of weeks ago. Yeah...the leading shoes were worn, but the trailing shoes had plenty of meat. So being the cheap-azz that I am, I just swapped the shoes and slapped it all back together. I'll check them again next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Fuel View Post
    I thought you had a 2015? Did you get a newer Mirage or did you swap to the newer drums?
    You have a good eye!

    Yeah I do have a 2015, for now. A brake swap would be quite the challenge. I wouldn't bother, seems like a lot of effort. I don't know enough about this.

    I recently acquired a USDM 2017 SE manual. Now I get the pleasure of figuring out how the 17+ drum brakes go together.

    I struggled figuring out the 14-15 drum brakes since i didn't look at the service manual! I stretched and ruined a couple new springs trying to get it back together. I couldn't get the left drum back on without adjusting the Auto Adjuster. I finally figured it out as it sat in it's most recessed position to allow the drum to fit over the shoes. No grinding of the shoes required! I finally got around to installing my new OEM drums and shoes i had sitting in my stock.

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    Hey...I borrowed your idea for rotating brake shoes. I checked mine a couple of weeks ago. Yeah...the leading shoes were worn, but the trailing shoes had plenty of meat. So being the cheap-azz that I am, I just swapped the shoes and slapped it all back together. I'll check them again next year.
    Haha that's awesome glad to hear you tried it too!

    Hey i don't blame you for wanting to stretch your dollar. The macro economy isn't doing so well these days and we're all hurting in this environment. I'm doing the same.

    Did you bleed the system? How did the brakes feel after the shoe swap? How's the parking brake feel? They'll definitely last you until next year from my own experience driving a 15. Let us know if yours become noisy or grind.

    I'm wondering if this'll work on the 17+ shoes. I don't think it's possible unless the pin on one of the shoes is removable.

    FYI:

    This is the Drum Brake Hardware Kit needed for all 14-15 drum brakes. It includes both L&R sides, new springs! For those that will need em.

    https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/c...kit/bhh0/17492

    The forum seems to be tripping out and posting my pics incorrectly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidricardo86 View Post
    I struggled figuring out the 14-15 drum brakes since i didn't look at the service manual!
    I'm not sure it would have helped. This is about all you will find in the service manual...

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    I tried to do this when the drum was off. I don't know how you can get a screwdriver in through the backing plate. There's a lot of stuff in the way. Maybe I just needed the proper size screwdriver.


    Did you bleed the system? How did the brakes feel after the shoe swap? How's the parking brake feel?
    I don't think I've ever cracked a bleeder screw on this car. I suppose it's due for a brake fluid change. Maybe next year.

    The brakes feel fine after swapping the shoes. The parking brake works fine, too. I can't really tell there is any difference. I'll check the rear brakes in the spring and see how things are holding up.


    This is the Drum Brake Hardware Kit needed for all 14-15 drum brakes...
    I bought the same hardware kit because I thought I was going to be replacing the shoes. I didn't end up using the kit, but I'm glad I had it handy. One of those little c-clips (the ones that hold the parking brake arm to the trailing shoe) shot across my garage when I was re-installing the old pads. I couldn't find it. So I had to rob a new one out of my hardware kit. That saved my butt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidricardo86 View Post
    I didn't use PB Blaster or penetrating oil. I just hit it with a hammer lol

    The 3/8" chisel worked perfectly, i should've gotten one years ago! I fully recommend it to Mirage owners.

    I hit the cap a little too hard like my screwdriver.

    I will add some anti seize when they go back on. Upon initial inspection, my brakes look great. They look like they have some life left.

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    Hi there,

    My Mirage (2017 version) has 48 000 km (+/- 29 000 miles) and I am almost at the end of the second brake pads without ever having checked the rear shoes. I like to do some of the maintenance at home (oil changes, filters, brake fluid change, front brake pads replacement) however I am not confident to open the rear drums as I do not have any torque wrench that goes so high and I think if that is not torqued as expected the full wheel can just fall off while driving. My question is, do you think that I should check my rear drums soon? I had two Peugeot 206 in the past and none of them needed any work on that until 145 000 km (I sold both with this mileage). But from what I read on this forum it looks like the mirage drum brakes are not so good for longevity. I’ve removed the wheel and tried with my phone to see if I could see anything through the adjuster hole but no success. Any thoughts/tips?

    Thanks in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by edPower View Post
    Hi there,

    My Mirage (2017 version) has 48 000 km (+/- 29 000 miles) and I am almost at the end of the second brake pads without ever having checked the rear shoes. I like to do some of the maintenance at home (oil changes, filters, brake fluid change, front brake pads replacement) however I am not confident to open the rear drums as I do not have any torque wrench that goes so high and I think if that is not torqued as expected the full wheel can just fall off while driving. My question is, do you think that I should check my rear drums soon? I had two Peugeot 206 in the past and none of them needed any work on that until 145 000 km (I sold both with this mileage). But from what I read on this forum it looks like the mirage drum brakes are not so good for longevity. I’ve removed the wheel and tried with my phone to see if I could see anything through the adjuster hole but no success. Any thoughts/tips?

    Thanks in advance!
    If you crank the nut down goodntight it should be fine, but use your own judgement. If you're not confident that it's tight get a shop to retorque it for you. I had someone complaining in the comment section of one of my video's because I used an impact to remove the nut. I haven't had one come loose. They are self locking nuts(non-nylon) and imo can be reused multiple times regardless of what internet book readers claim.
    The older style drums 15' and older with the ratcheting adjuster seem to wear out quicker than the newer larger drums with the star wheel adjuster. I assume your car will have the larger drums. Over here we can often get 200-300,000kms from a set of rear Mirage brakes. The fronts wear much quicker, lucky to get 80k from a set of pads and rotors.


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