Ok, I'm late in posting this. I paid around 15,000 then I got 1,000 rebate But I had A trade that tacked a little bit on top of that. I didn't try to Jew them down because they were taking back Thir defective car they sold me 6 months earlier . So I was just Happy they were doing that to keep them selves off the Better Bussness Buraru .A long story made short I got a Elantra that passed carFax But Failed Auto check here! I think I was being took by a faulty CarFax . But I whanted a ES but the colors that I had to choose from I didn't care for. So I'm Happy with my Bluejellybean