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    Quote Originally Posted by jtr990 View Post
    Speaking of CVTs, I recently had a conversation with two people who drove a 2007 Nissan Versa SL and a 2009 Nissan Rogue back in the shop. The Rogue's CVT decided to pack it in while he was driving home from work, while the Versa's started going bad. Although the former had an extended powertrain warranty to replace the entire transmission, the latter's warranty had already expired. After looking at a $5,000 CDN estimate to replace the faulty CVT, she decided to scrap the entire car altogether, with over 130,000 km on the clock, and bought herself a new car, this time with a traditional 6-speed automatic. Knowing Mitsubishi and Nissan used Jatco as their transmission supplier, I wouldn't be surprised based on the number of YouTube videos I watched regarding CVT failure.
    As long as manual transmissions are still available, I will be buying them. When Subaru went from a 4-speed automatic in their Forester to a CVT, the towing capacity of the vehicle dropped from 2500 pounds to 1500 pounds. The tiny Ford Ecosport is rated to tow 2000 pounds, which isn't bad for a very small SUV. I believe part of that rating is related to the 6-speed automatic transmission in those vehicles.

    I understand the logic & appeal of the CVT, but I don't feel it improves the quality of the vehicle. If I had to replace my 2011 Subaru Forester 2.5X (manual), it would not be something with a CVT. Since Honda CRV & Toyota RAV4 had dropped their manual offerings years ago, it was the main reason I bought a used Subaru in 2013. My favorite vehicle was a first generation 2000 Honda CRV LX AWD (manual). It was a little quirky like the Mirage, but super dependable. Did what it was suppose to do without much flash. If it hadn't been rear ended by a Chevy Tahoe, I may be still driving it today.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
    Our driving school owner bought 6 new 2016 Ford Focus vehicles (CVT) for our instructors in early 2017. All of those vehicles are beginning to act up with transmission issues. I am not sold on CVT transmissions. I use a 2015 Chevy Impala Limited (very basic model) with a 6-speed automatic transmission for btw lessons, & it seems rock solid with no issues. The Impala has 2.5X more mileage on it than the Fords, & I don't expect to have any transmission issues with it. .
    For the record, Mark, the Ford Focus (2012-2018) didn't came with CVTs. It used Ford's PowerShift automatic transmission. It's essentially a 6-speed dual-clutch automated manual transmission. Plus, the Toyota RAV4 still uses a traditional automatic transmission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtr990 View Post
    For the record, Mark, the Ford Focus (2012-2018) didn't came with CVTs. It used Ford's PowerShift automatic transmission. It's essentially a 6-speed dual-clutch automated manual transmission. Plus, the Toyota RAV4 still uses a traditional automatic transmission.
    I appreciate that correction. I haven't used the Focus that much, & I wasn't that familiar with it. I edited my comment by removing that part. Sorry about that. The Ford transmissions you are referring to have their own set of problems. I've even heard reviewers of Ecosport being thankful that transmission wasn't put in it.

    I also know the RAV4 has a more traditional automatic transmission as do other models out there. I like the simplicity of manuals, & I find manuals more fun to drive. My knock on all this is the push to create more fuel efficient cars and using unproven technologies (like transmissions) to achieve that. CVT are surely here to stay, and they will continue to improve. Having said that, I still prefer a manual transmission.

    When I needed to replace my wrecked 2000 Honda CRV in 2013, Subaru & Jeep were the only manual transmission AWD or 4WD options available for newer vehicles. In most cases, I prefer buying low mileage vehicles that are a couple years old. Toyota/Honda AWD manual options haven't existed for quite some time.
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    Not a problem, Mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
    My knock on all this is the push to create more fuel efficient cars and using unproven technologies (like transmissions) to achieve that. CVT are surely here to stay, and they will continue to improve.
    Thankfully lots of newer efficient vehicles are switiching to a dual-clutch automatic (like my 2018 Niro), and still acheiving excellent economy without the shame of a cvt.

    But transmission style will basically become a moot point with the coming shift to electric vehicles, everything will just be single speed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrelirwin View Post
    Thankfully lots of newer efficient vehicles are switiching to a dual-clutch automatic (like my 2018 Niro), and still acheiving excellent economy without the shame of a cvt.

    But transmission style will basically become a moot point with the coming shift to electric vehicles, everything will just be single speed
    The driving school that I work part-time for bought 6 new 2016 Ford Focus vehicles in early 2017. I'm sure the owner got a good deal on them. Every one of them is having transmission problems. Every one of them is acting up, & I believe most of them are under 20,000 miles. My colleague who drives one in my hometown is really concerned about it. It's still running, but it is not running normal.

    I typically drive a 2015 Impala Limited (very basic model) that has a V6 and 6-speed automatic transmission. That car seems rock solid, & it has 2.5 times more miles on it than our newer Fords. As far as Ford goes, they don't have their act together on their dual-clutch automatic transmissions. No one wants a Ford with that transmission any more, & this is what I mean by unproven technology being put out there before its thoroughly tested.

    The Niro seems to be a nice vehicle. Hopefully, you'll never have any issue. I am just sharing our Ford experience. Sadly, we have 6 of them bought at the same time.

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    How did this shake out? Did that one blow up, too?

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    I totally forgot about that one, I'll have to ask what happened. Did you find one for your car yet?

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    I am a proud 2015 mirage owner makes 4 years next month. I have done 2 CVT fluid changes 1 at 35k to 40k MI and at 80k mi. At this moment I have 110k. Zero complaints out of me concerning the Jatco CVT. I will admit I am a bit ruff. I drive easily speeds of 70 to 85 mph on my commute to work which is close to 120mi round trip. I have been driving this way since I purchased. So I'm a firm believer in the success of Jatco CVT. Also change my oil every 10k mi which I did the other day.. One last thing I have yet to drain transmission from plug I have always used vacuum pump and fill her right back up. My little I-10 road warrior. If it makes it to 200k mi that will reinforce my confidence to overhaul engine or CVT if anything ever happens. Fingers crossed 200k here I come.

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        click to view fuel log View my fuel log 2015 Mirage DE 1.2 automatic: 34.5 mpg (US) ... 14.7 km/L ... 6.8 L/100 km ... 41.4 mpg (Imp)


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrNuff View Post
    I am a proud 2015 mirage owner makes 4 years next month. I have done 2 CVT fluid changes 1 at 35k to 40k MI and at 80k mi. At this moment I have 110k. Zero complaints out of me concerning the Jatco CVT. I will admit I am a bit ruff. I drive easily speeds of 70 to 85 mph on my commute to work which is close to 120mi round trip. I have been driving this way since I purchased. So I'm a firm believer in the success of Jatco CVT. Also change my oil every 10k mi which I did the other day.. One last thing I have yet to drain transmission from plug I have always used vacuum pump and fill her right back up. My little I-10 road warrior. If it makes it to 200k mi that will reinforce my confidence to overhaul engine or CVT if anything ever happens. Fingers crossed 200k here I come.
    Glad yours is doing good. I think most ppl have had their transmissions fail up around 150k though



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