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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggman View Post
    It makes me wonder how many other places sell used batteries as new? It sheds light on how some batteries don't last two years when they should last at least 3 - 5 years.
    I have never purchased a car battery without having to return the old one to collect a core charge. That being said, wouldn’t it be safe to assume that parts are being reused anyway? I’m sure the battery companies want my old battery for a reason other than keeping it for a boat anchor.



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    I found some interesting news and information on Johnson Controls automotive battery. Looks like it's goodbye JCI and Hello Clarios.

    The following is a press release by Clarios.
    PR NewsWire: Clarios launches as a world leader in advanced energy storage solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by Cision by PR NewsWire | News provided by | Clarios | May 01, 2019, 06:45 ET

    Clarios launches as a world leader in advanced energy storage solutions

    Johnson Controls Power Solutions business becomes new entity, positioned to capitalize on growing global power demands

    MILWAUKEE, May 1, 2019 /PRNewswire/ -- Clarios, formerly Johnson Controls Power Solutions, today launches as a new entity and world leader in advanced energy storage solutions. Clarios was acquired by Brookfield Business Partners and operates as a global energy storage business generating $8 billion in revenues with more than 16,000 employees, 56 facilities worldwide and 130 years of expertise. Clarios will build on its leading position in vehicle battery technologies – producing one-third of the automotive industry's total output per year – while more aggressively exploring ways to meet the fast-growing energy storage needs of tomorrow.

    ...

    The company will maintain its current global manufacturing and operations footprint, including its corporate headquarters in Glendale, Wisconsin.
    JCI made the Hands Free Module for the Bluetooth in the Mirage, and sold that operating unit off several years ago. Looks like JCI has spun off yet another group of companies.

    Clarios lists the following brands under their ownership:

    OPTIMA Batteries, Inc.
    5757 N. Green Bay Ave.
    Milwaukee WI 53209

    LTH Batteries
    Mostly Mexico and Central America.

    Varta Battery
    Europe

    Heliar
    Brazil

    Delkor
    Delkor History
    Delkor Co. Ltd was established in 1985, as a joint venture with GM, the biggest automotive company in US.
    ...
    1986: Completes first production plant construction in Gumi, South Korea.

    MAC Battery
    MAC Batteries does not list a location for their manufacturing or its headquarters. They only list distributors, and they are all in South America. Their History page says they were established in Argentina.



    Clarios Batteries AH Rating CCA Length Width Height Weight Warranty Size Group/Code
    Optima REDTOP® 35 44 720 9.38"
    238mm
    6.75"
    171mm
    7.69"
    195mm
    31.7lb
    14.38kg
    36 mo/variable 35
    Optima YELLOWTOP® D35 48 620 9.38"
    238mm
    6.75"
    171mm
    7.69"
    195mm
    36.4lb
    16.51kg
    36 mo/variable 35
    LTH HI-TEC H-35-585 585 9.685"
    246mm
    8.82"
    224mm
    6.85"
    174mm
    37.48lb
    17kg
    12 mo 35
    LTH L-35-575 575 9.685"
    246mm
    8.82"
    224mm
    6.85"
    174mm
    37.48lb
    17kg
    12 mo 35
    LTH AGM L-24F-710 AGM 710 10.94"
    278mm
    8.62"
    219mm
    6.85"
    174mm
    46.3lb
    21kg
    24 mo 24F
    LTH HI-TEC H-24R-600 600 10.94"
    278mm
    8.66"
    220mm
    6.85"
    174mm
    39.68lb
    18kg
    12 mo 24R
    LTH L-24R-530 530 10.94"
    278mm
    8.66"
    220mm
    6.85"
    174mm
    37.48lb
    17kg
    12 mo 24R
    VARTA Silver Dynamic AGM 560 901 068
    Listed as made in Germany
    60 680 9.53"
    242mm
    6.89"
    175mm
    7.48"
    190mm
    38.58lb
    17.5kg
    D52
    VARTA Blue Dynamic EFB JIS 565 501 065
    Listed as engineered in Germany
    65 650 9.13"
    232mm
    6.81"
    173mm
    8.86"
    225mm
    40.56lb
    18.4kg
    N64
    VARTA Blue Dynamic EFB 560 500 064
    Listed as engineered in Germany
    60 640 9.53"
    242mm
    6.89"
    175mm
    7.48"
    190mm
    37.32lb
    16.93kg
    N60
    Delkor EFB SQ85D23LEFB 60 660 8.86"
    225mm
    6.8"
    172mm
    8.86"
    225mm
    Delkor Calcium 55D23L 55 550 9"
    229mm
    6.8"
    172mm
    8.86"
    225mm
    55D23L
    Mac Silver Plus 48I800M 770 10.94"
    278mm
    6.89"
    175mm
    6.89"
    175mm
    Mac Silver Plus 47R700M 770 9.53"
    242mm
    6.89"
    175mm
    7.48"
    190mm
    Mac Gold Plus 42800MG 550 9.53"
    242mm
    6.89"
    175mm
    6.89"
    175mm
    Make & Model AH Rating CCA Length Width Height Weight Warranty Size Group/Code
    Last edited by Eggman; 06-01-2019 at 10:25 AM.

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    I forgot to post awhile back replaced mine with one from Costco for less $80.
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    Recent G4 manual tranny units here in the Ph came with a battery half the usual size from the factory. Only the CVT variants were equipped with the 55D23L. They were made by Motolite, a brand well-known locally.

    Edit: These units were also assembled locally,

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodehunter View Post
    Recent G4 manual tranny units here in the Ph came with a battery half the usual size from the factory. Only the CVT variants were equipped with the 55D23L. They were made by Motolite, a brand well-known locally.

    Edit: These units were also assembled locally,

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    I believe all the Mirages in the States come with a 55D23L (356CCA/99RC).

    Do you think your battery has more or less CCA?

    I noticed a Motolite 55D23L has 430CCA on their website, which is higher than our factory batteries here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodehunter View Post
    Recent G4 manual tranny units here in the Ph came with a battery half the usual size from the factory. Only the CVT variants were equipped with the 55D23L. They were made by Motolite, a brand well-known locally.

    Edit: These units were also assembled locally,
    I would like to add this to our charts but I can't seem to find much information about this particular battery. Any link to this item?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggman View Post
    I would like to add this to our charts but I can't seem to find much information about this particular battery. Any link to this item?
    Me neither. Even the labeling is unique only to local mitsubishi units and not being sold anywhere else aside from the dealership. Seems like an internal partnership between Mitsubishi and Motolite.

    Knowing this is being implemented by the dealership themselves, I then got myself a Bosch Mega Power Silver 46B20L (on terminal adaptors) which I will very soon be installing to replace the Hitachi 55D23L my mirage came with. It packs 370CCA in a smaller and lighter package.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
    I believe all the Mirages in the States come with a 55D23L (356CCA/99RC).

    Do you think your battery has more or less CCA?

    I noticed a Motolite 55D23L has 430CCA on their website, which is higher than our factory batteries here.
    Unfortunately, I don't own that G4 to have it tested with a battery tester, but I'm pretty sure it holds less than 356CCA compared to the factory hitachi.

    I have yet to see another unit that comes with the Motolite 55D23L, it may or may not be the same as the one available outside the dealership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodehunter View Post
    Me neither. Even the labeling is unique only to local mitsubishi units and not being sold anywhere else aside from the dealership. Seems like an internal partnership between Mitsubishi and Motolite.

    Knowing this is being implemented by the dealership themselves, I then got myself a Bosch Mega Power Silver 46B20L (on terminal adaptors) which I will very soon be installing to replace the Hitachi 55D23L my mirage came with. It packs 370CCA in a smaller and lighter package.
    Many Motolite batteries are listed as 'Tropicalized - Built For Hot Climates'. I wonder how they do that? I also wonder if that has anything to do with using the Motolites instead of the Hitachis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggman View Post
    Many Motolite batteries are listed as 'Tropicalized - Built For Hot Climates'. I wonder how they do that? I also wonder if that has anything to do with using the Motolites instead of the Hitachis?
    It maybe is true or just for marketing, but one thing I do know is that they've been selling their batteries as built "Tropicalized" ever since I was a kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodehunter View Post
    It maybe is true or just for marketing, but one thing I do know is that they've been selling their batteries as built "Tropicalized" ever since I was a kid.
    Living in Wisconsin, we (I) tend to focus on the CCA of a battery. Extreme heat, however, may be more damaging to a battery (shorten battery life) than the extreme cold. If a batteries dies, CCA become irrelevant anyways.

    If I get 4-5 years out a factory battery, I am ok with that.



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