Which oil do you use in 1.2 Mirage?

[itschad]

Gentlemen, I have been pounding the keys on the laptop for over an hour now trying to find a suitable engine oil. Yes the manual says 0w20 grade to meet ILSAC spec but then says 5w 30. My question to all is this.
is 0w 20 ILSAC spec good enough. In the UK there is very little information available.
I found this on Amazon, do any of you guys use it? Sorry but being relatively new here I'll probably have a good few questions.

Image result for petronas syntium 7000 0w20
Thanks in advance.

[cookiemonster]

Gentlemen, I have been pounding the keys on the laptop for over an hour now trying to find a suitable engine oil. Yes the manual says 0w20 grade to meet ILSAC spec but then says 5w 30. My question to all is this.
is 0w 20 ILSAC spec good enough. In the UK there is very little information available.
I found this on Amazon, do any of you guys use it? Sorry but being relatively new here I'll probably have a good few questions.

Image result for petronas syntium 7000 0w20
Thanks in advance.

If specs in the UK for the Mirage is similar to what's specified in the US, the fully synthetic Syntium 7000 seems like it would be more than sufficient. PDS: https://www.pli-petronas.com/sites/p...-20_190214.pdf

I use a plain, conventional 5W-30 myself:

[itschad]

If specs in the UK for the Mirage is similar to what's specified in the US, the fully synthetic Syntium 7000 seems like it would be more than sufficient. PDS: https://www.pli-petronas.com/sites/p...-20_190214.pdf

I use a plain, conventional 5W-30 myself:

Thank You cookiemaster. I actually found on the bay of fleas
Car Engine Oil 5 Litre Fully Synthetic Petronas Syntium 7000 SAE 0W20 5L Litres for £18.99 (less than $25). Going through Mirage cook book it actually states as follows.

Select engine oil of the proper SAE viscosity number according to the atmospheric temperature.
SAE 0W-20, 0W-30, 5W-30 and 5W-40
engine oils can only be used if they meet
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4 or A5/B5 and API
SM (or higher) specifications.
l Use engine oil conforming to the following classification:
• API classification: “For service SM”
or higher
• ILSAC certificated o

[Mark]

Select engine oil of the proper SAE viscosity number according to the atmospheric temperature.
SAE 0W-20, 0W-30, 5W-30 and 5W-40
engine oils can only be used if they meet
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4 or A5/B5 and API
SM (or higher) specifications.
l Use engine oil conforming to the following classification:
• API classification: “For service SM”
or higher
• ILSAC certificated o

The U.S. Mirage owner's manual lists 0W-20 oil as the only option. Since most 0W-20 oil are synthetic oils (Motorcraft has a 0W-20 synthetic blend), we are guided in that direction. People can debate which brand of synthetic is best.

I would embrace the options listed in your manual. Living in Wisconsin, I would use 0W-20 in the winter & 5W-30 in the summer using your manual guidelines. I use 0W-20, because I don't want to void my warranty.

I've been doing some reading/research on all this, & it's somewhat frustrating/confusing. Full synthetic vs. 100% synthetic & those who use group III base oil stock vs those that use group IV base oil stock (PAO) make it hard or impossible to sort out. It appears the American oil companies has more freedom to market various products as full synthetic oil. Labels on American products are more about marketing. Maybe none of this even matters, but it's surely unclear to me. The Germans, for example, don't allow this confusion to exist (from some of the things I have read).

A quality oil still requires a quality oil filter. My guess is our U.S. oil change intervals (3750 miles/approximately 6,000 km or 7500 miles/approximately 12,000 km) are different than your oil change intervals, too.

The Mirage doesn't appear to be a fragile power train. Clean quality oil with a good oil filter should help it last a long time.

[itschad]

The U.S. Mirage owner's manual lists 0W-20 oil as the only option. Since most 0W-20 oil are synthetic oils (Motorcraft has a 0W-20 synthetic blend), we are guided in that direction. People can debate which brand of synthetic is best.

I would embrace the options listed in your manual. Living in Wisconsin, I would use 0W-20 in the winter & 5W-30 in the summer using your manual guidelines. I use 0W-20, because I don't want to void my warranty.

I've been doing some reading/research on all this, & it's somewhat frustrating/confusing. Full synthetic vs. 100% synthetic & those who use group III base oil stock vs those that use group IV base oil stock (PAO) make it hard or impossible to sort out. It appears the American oil companies has more freedom to market various products as full synthetic oil. Labels on American products are more about marketing. Maybe none of this even matters, but it's surely unclear to me. The Germans, for example, don't allow this confusion to exist (from some of the things I have read).

A quality oil still requires a quality oil filter. My guess is our U.S. oil change intervals (3750 miles/approximately 6,000 km or 7500 miles/approximately 12,000 km) are different than your oil change intervals, too.

The Mirage doesn't appear to be a fragile power train. Clean quality oil with a good oil filter should help it last a long time.

This boy totally agrees, if the manufacturer states a certain oil I'd adhere to that. We have the same utter confusion here too, don't know about Germany. I remember having cars that weren't fussed, a 20w 50 oil seemed to work in all cars from the 60's to 70's then it all went nuts,this spec, that spec one grade of oil wasn't suitable for all cars, you had to study numbers, letters and Lord knows what else.

[Eggman]

I remember having cars that weren't fussed, a 20w 50 oil seemed to work in all cars from the 60's to 70's then it all went nuts,this spec, that spec one grade of oil wasn't suitable for all cars, you had to study numbers, letters and Lord knows what else.

Improvements in technology have lead to synthetic lubricants that flow better at colder temperatures and hold their viscosity longer. Research found some additives were harmful to the pollution controls, which led to new formulations.

Here's more reading from experts on the subject.

Blackstone Labs | A Brand New Perspective: Digging Into the Timeless Question, “Which Oil is Better?”

[Fummins]

We used mobil 1 0w20 for the first year or so. Then went to cheaper little known brand in 1 liter bottles, then to a 55gallon drum. Now instead of getting a new drum when I'm empty I get it refilled from a 1000 liter tote.

[Eggman]

itschad you want the ILSAC starburst on whatever viscosity you wind up with. It's got the additives that get the job done.

I use Mobil1 synthetic products because I can usually buy them with a rebate. They have a reputation for quality, as do many other brands. Last year I tried 5W-20 and didn't like it so I'm sticking with 0W-20. My ambient operating temperatures range from -10℉ to 90℉ (-23℃ - 32℃).

It might be more important to focus your attention to a quality oil filter rather than motor oil. Though features such as a anti-drainback valve and metal end-caps indicate quality construction, I see them as over-rated. Focus instead on filtration particle size and capacity. Anti-drainback valves do not hold all the oil inside of a horizontally mounted filter, and filter media should be chemically bonded somehow to it's end caps. Whether the end caps are fibrous, plastic, or metal - the idea is that oil should not be able to flow around the filtration media unless it is filled up & clogged.

Focus on performance & specifications, not good looks. That's what I always say.

There's been discussions bordering on Holy Wars over this subject. In order to avoid typing out a short story, I'll suggest some reading from someone who knows tribology rather than go on from opinion.

Grab your favorite beverage, head on over to Bob Is The Oil Guy and read Motor Oil 101 and learn the basics of motor oil and what it's all about.

petronas syntium 7000 0w20

Sounds like Harry Potter stuff.

We used mobil 1 0w20 for the first year or so. Then went to cheaper 1 liter bottles, then to a 55gallon drum. Now instead of getting a new drum when I'm empty I get it refilled from a 1000 liter tote.

Everybody likes a braggart.

[itschad]

itschad you want the ILSAC starburst on whatever viscosity you wind up with. It's got the additives that get the job done.

I use Mobil1 synthetic products because I can usually buy them with a rebate. They have a reputation for quality, as do many other brands. Last year I tried 5W-20 and didn't like it so I'm sticking with 0W-20. My ambient operating temperatures range from -10℉ to 90℉ (-23℃ - 32℃).

It might be more important to focus your attention to a quality oil filter rather than motor oil. Though features such as a anti-drainback valve and metal end-caps indicate quality construction, I see them as over-rated. Focus instead on filtration particle size and capacity. Anti-drainback valves do not hold all the oil inside of a horizontally mounted filter, and filter media should be chemically bonded somehow to it's end caps. Whether the end caps are fibrous, plastic, or metal - the idea is that oil should not be able to flow around the filtration media unless it is filled up & clogged.

Focus on performance & specifications, not good looks. That's what I always say.

There's been discussions bordering on Holy Wars over this subject. In order to avoid typing out a short story, I'll suggest some reading from someone who knows tribology rather than go on from opinion.

Grab your favorite beverage, head on over to Bob Is The Oil Guy and read Motor Oil 101 and learn the basics of motor oil and what it's all about.

Sounds like Harry Potter stuff.

Everybody likes a braggart.

Firstly lets deal with, Focus on specification, not good looks, That's where I went wrong with the enemy (the wife), lesson learnt.

Eggman, Petronas oil is/was developed by Fiat/ Ferrari (or there is a connection somewhere) so must be available in the U.S. I looked on a forum and it gets good results.
As regards to oil filters I'll only ever buy Mann, Bosch or those from a dealership.
Thanks for your input.

[Fummins]

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