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    Which oil do you use in 1.2 Mirage?

    Gentlemen, I have been pounding the keys on the laptop for over an hour now trying to find a suitable engine oil. Yes the manual says 0w20 grade to meet ILSAC spec but then says 5w 30. My question to all is this.
    is 0w 20 ILSAC spec good enough. In the UK there is very little information available.
    I found this on Amazon, do any of you guys use it? Sorry but being relatively new here I'll probably have a good few questions.

    Image result for petronas syntium 7000 0w20
    Thanks in advance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by itschad View Post
    Gentlemen, I have been pounding the keys on the laptop for over an hour now trying to find a suitable engine oil. Yes the manual says 0w20 grade to meet ILSAC spec but then says 5w 30. My question to all is this.
    is 0w 20 ILSAC spec good enough. In the UK there is very little information available.
    I found this on Amazon, do any of you guys use it? Sorry but being relatively new here I'll probably have a good few questions.

    Image result for petronas syntium 7000 0w20
    Thanks in advance.
    If specs in the UK for the Mirage is similar to what's specified in the US, the fully synthetic Syntium 7000 seems like it would be more than sufficient. PDS: https://www.pli-petronas.com/sites/p...-20_190214.pdf

    I use a plain, conventional 5W-30 myself:

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    Quote Originally Posted by cookiemonster View Post
    If specs in the UK for the Mirage is similar to what's specified in the US, the fully synthetic Syntium 7000 seems like it would be more than sufficient. PDS: https://www.pli-petronas.com/sites/p...-20_190214.pdf

    I use a plain, conventional 5W-30 myself:

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    Thank You cookiemaster. I actually found on the bay of fleas
    Car Engine Oil 5 Litre Fully Synthetic Petronas Syntium 7000 SAE 0W20 5L Litres for 18.99 (less than $25). Going through Mirage cook book it actually states as follows.

    Select engine oil of the proper SAE viscosity number according to the atmospheric temperature.
    SAE 0W-20, 0W-30, 5W-30 and 5W-40
    engine oils can only be used if they meet
    ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4 or A5/B5 and API
    SM (or higher) specifications.
    l Use engine oil conforming to the following classification:
    API classification: For service SM
    or higher
    ILSAC certificated o

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    We used mobil 1 0w20 for the first year or so. Then went to cheaper little known brand in 1 liter bottles, then to a 55gallon drum. Now instead of getting a new drum when I'm empty I get it refilled from a 1000 liter tote.
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    itschad you want the ILSAC starburst on whatever viscosity you wind up with. It's got the additives that get the job done.

    I use Mobil1 synthetic products because I can usually buy them with a rebate. They have a reputation for quality, as do many other brands. Last year I tried 5W-20 and didn't like it so I'm sticking with 0W-20. My ambient operating temperatures range from -10℉ to 90℉ (-23℃ - 32℃).

    It might be more important to focus your attention to a quality oil filter rather than motor oil. Though features such as a anti-drainback valve and metal end-caps indicate quality construction, I see them as over-rated. Focus instead on filtration particle size and capacity. Anti-drainback valves do not hold all the oil inside of a horizontally mounted filter, and filter media should be chemically bonded somehow to it's end caps. Whether the end caps are fibrous, plastic, or metal - the idea is that oil should not be able to flow around the filtration media unless it is filled up & clogged.

    Focus on performance & specifications, not good looks. That's what I always say.

    There's been discussions bordering on Holy Wars over this subject. In order to avoid typing out a short story, I'll suggest some reading from someone who knows tribology rather than go on from opinion.

    Grab your favorite beverage, head on over to Bob Is The Oil Guy and read Motor Oil 101 and learn the basics of motor oil and what it's all about.

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    petronas syntium 7000 0w20
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    We used mobil 1 0w20 for the first year or so. Then went to cheaper 1 liter bottles, then to a 55gallon drum. Now instead of getting a new drum when I'm empty I get it refilled from a 1000 liter tote.
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    put your number Plate in and should tell you what oil to put in


    https://www.eurocarparts.com

    https://www.halfords.com/motoring/en...ls-_-Engineoil

    https://www.bestpartstore.co.uk/mits...gine-oil#10435



    As for brand i would go with a well known brand
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    Quote Originally Posted by itschad View Post
    Select engine oil of the proper SAE viscosity number according to the atmospheric temperature.
    SAE 0W-20, 0W-30, 5W-30 and 5W-40
    engine oils can only be used if they meet
    ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4 or A5/B5 and API
    SM (or higher) specifications.
    l Use engine oil conforming to the following classification:
    • API classification: “For service SM”
    or higher
    • ILSAC certificated o
    The U.S. Mirage owner's manual lists 0W-20 oil as the only option. Since most 0W-20 oil are synthetic oils (Motorcraft has a 0W-20 synthetic blend), we are guided in that direction. People can debate which brand of synthetic is best.

    I would embrace the options listed in your manual. Living in Wisconsin, I would use 0W-20 in the winter & 5W-30 in the summer using your manual guidelines. I use 0W-20, because I don't want to void my warranty.

    I've been doing some reading/research on all this, & it's somewhat frustrating/confusing. Full synthetic vs. 100% synthetic & those who use group III base oil stock vs those that use group IV base oil stock (PAO) make it hard or impossible to sort out. It appears the American oil companies has more freedom to market various products as full synthetic oil. Labels on American products are more about marketing. Maybe none of this even matters, but it's surely unclear to me. The Germans, for example, don't allow this confusion to exist (from some of the things I have read).

    A quality oil still requires a quality oil filter. My guess is our U.S. oil change intervals (3750 miles/approximately 6,000 km or 7500 miles/approximately 12,000 km) are different than your oil change intervals, too.

    The Mirage doesn't appear to be a fragile power train. Clean quality oil with a good oil filter should help it last a long time.

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    The European manual lists 0W20 / ILSAC GF-5 as the best to use, but it also says that other oils, for example 5W30 at comparately modest API levels will do.

    Very best fuel economy is with the 0W30 / API SN / ILSAC GF-5 variant, but a decent 5W30 API SN / ILSAC GF-5 is just fine for the mild UK climate, and you probably wouldn't notice any difference in consumption. Just be positive of keeping up with standard maintenance!

    Here some products you could source in the UK:

    https://www.ebay.de/itm/Pennasol-SUP...0AAOSwUaVdEbgf


    https://www.ebay.de/itm/MANNOL-5W-30...oAAOSwjk9ZVhJO


    https://www.ebay.de/itm/4-Liter-Orig...wAAOSwPWtcIUoB


    The probably best oil filter on this side if the atlantic practically eliminates the typical "no oil rattle" during the first seconds after startup, and thus lengthens motor life. You may want to give it a try:

    https://www.ebay.de/itm/Olfilter-Fil...wAAOSw8K5az1UD

    Using the stuff above, an oil change plus filter would cost you around 15 Quid, and that with the finest products available!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggman View Post
    itschad you want the ILSAC starburst on whatever viscosity you wind up with. It's got the additives that get the job done.

    I use Mobil1 synthetic products because I can usually buy them with a rebate. They have a reputation for quality, as do many other brands. Last year I tried 5W-20 and didn't like it so I'm sticking with 0W-20. My ambient operating temperatures range from -10℉ to 90℉ (-23℃ - 32℃).

    It might be more important to focus your attention to a quality oil filter rather than motor oil. Though features such as a anti-drainback valve and metal end-caps indicate quality construction, I see them as over-rated. Focus instead on filtration particle size and capacity. Anti-drainback valves do not hold all the oil inside of a horizontally mounted filter, and filter media should be chemically bonded somehow to it's end caps. Whether the end caps are fibrous, plastic, or metal - the idea is that oil should not be able to flow around the filtration media unless it is filled up & clogged.

    Focus on performance & specifications, not good looks. That's what I always say.

    There's been discussions bordering on Holy Wars over this subject. In order to avoid typing out a short story, I'll suggest some reading from someone who knows tribology rather than go on from opinion.

    Grab your favorite beverage, head on over to Bob Is The Oil Guy and read Motor Oil 101 and learn the basics of motor oil and what it's all about.

    Sounds like Harry Potter stuff.

    Everybody likes a braggart.
    Firstly lets deal with, Focus on specification, not good looks, That's where I went wrong with the enemy (the wife), lesson learnt.

    Eggman, Petronas oil is/was developed by Fiat/ Ferrari (or there is a connection somewhere) so must be available in the U.S. I looked on a forum and it gets good results.
    As regards to oil filters I'll only ever buy Mann, Bosch or those from a dealership.
    Thanks for your input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam - UK View Post
    put your number Plate in and should tell you what oil to put in


    https://www.eurocarparts.com

    https://www.halfords.com/motoring/en...ls-_-Engineoil

    https://www.bestpartstore.co.uk/mits...gine-oil#10435



    As for brand i would go with a well known brand
    Thanks Adam, yes I used all the sites including Opie oils and they tend to push 5w 30 or 5w 40 at you. That is contrary to Mitsubishi's recommendations hence my thread. However, whilst awaiting a response I found Car Parts for Less doing Petronas oil for 18.99 which gets decent write up. I got this so cheap as I think there is/was an error in the price as it's commonly around 36.



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