Electric Car Rant

[Mirageman38]

Hybrids is the way to go. The Outlander PHEV looks very cool. I bet its the most reliable vehicle in Mitsu's lineup.

I'm not so sure. The Hyundai Ioniq Blue is MSRP at like $23,000 and is clearly the best value hybrid and best MPG gas vehicle. This is still at $11,000 price difference from the mirage. Unless you get some serious discounts and incentives, that much money buys about 150,000 miles or more in the mirage before you even start to save. In order to actually save money you would need to drive something insane like over 600,000 miles.

[7milesout]

I'm agreeing Mirageman38. And then there's the batteries in the landfill at the end of the life of the vehicle to consider. That seems like a bad deal for the environment.

[Fummins]

Wait, they bury cars in the ground down there? I guess that makes perfect sense.

I did the price comparison between my $6000 Mirage and buying even a used ioniq. It'd take forever to recoup the fuel savings and I guarantee I wouldn't keep it long enough to make sense. If I were in the market for an overpriced top spec Mirage I'd consider something else like an Ioniq for a little more money, similar if not more features and probably a better/nicer car overall.

[Eggman]

It's fun to re-read old threads.

I should have bought an i-Miev instead of my Mirage lol.

That was a close call. Those iMiev batteries don't last long.

[Grumpy Bear]

[foama]

The cheapest electric car in these parts costs about as much as one and one half years average worker wages after taxes.

Since non-electric cars will be forbidden in future decades, there will be parking spaces galore for those rich enough to afford electric cars!

[Fummins]

“Going electric can save between $30,000 and $50,000 over a ten-year ownership period, even taking into account the purchase cost, according to a new report. In fact, reductions in battery costs as well as available rebates mean that some EVs are already cheaper to buy than fossil-fuelled equivalents, allowing drivers to start saving the moment they drive off the lot. What’s more, EV availability regulations have been shown to cut EV sticker prices even further by requiring automakers to put affordable models on the market instead of focusing on luxury models. LInk: https://cleanenergycanada.org/new-ev...'s%20Guide).





"according to a new fabricated report"

[Fummins]

The cheapest electric car in these parts costs about as much as one and one half years average worker wages after taxes.

Since non-electric cars will be forbidden in future decades, there will be parking spaces galore for those rich enough to afford electric cars!

This is the cheapest ev in Canada It costs $39,000 and has an advertised 240km max range. Average salary in Canada according to this was $64,850/yr in 2023. That works to $31/hr(52 weeks a year, 8hrs a day, 5 days a week).
I absolutely know that there are people that can save money buying an ev because they drive so much. The guy I bought my Mirage from had a pretty long highway commute(I don't know how he did it!) and had the Mirage to save money. Then I believe he bought an ev and savings in fuel and maintenance may have paid for the car eventually.

For me, I did the math and and an ev would be a toy not a vehicle to save me any money. Gas could double in price and I still wouldn't make sense to buy one compared to keeping the Mirage around. If I were to replace a 15-20mpg suv then that might be a different story. I do think they're neat but can't justify the expense, maybe I should do more maths again and see if anything changed. We don't have any provincial rebates in Alberta(oil country lol) and the federal ev rebate is only $5k which is kinda meaningless if buying an entry-level $60k Telsa.

[Top_Fuel]

This is the cheapest ev in Canada...costs $39,000...has an advertised 240km max range.

When it's extremely cold outside, that range may get cut in half to 120km (75 miles). If you had any kind of commute and couldn't charge at home, owning a car like this in extreme winter conditions could be a nightmare. At a minimum...it would be an inconvenient pain in the azz to keep it charged in the winter. Funny that the propaganda (I mean well-balanced article) that Fummins linked doesn't mention any of that. You guys know I'm not an EV hater, but geez...lay out the pros and cons of something if you want to have any credibility.



The cheapest EV in the US is a leftover 2023 Bolt (they aren't making them in 2024...but it will be back in 2025).

Here's a rare example that's actually priced under MSRP...



This car is a base model...but it includes optional heated seats and steering wheel...which are pretty much mandatory if you live in a cold climate. There's a $7500 tax credit on this car in the US right now. So the right person could buy this car for $20,000. This car has a 400km range (250 miles) when it's warm outside. That might make sense for the right person with the right driving situation. For some people, a $20K Bolt would make better sense than a $20K Mirage.

The real problem (somehow overlooked in that article) is that every EV manufacturer in the US (not named Tesla) is losing money selling EVs.

[foama]

QUOTE=Fummins; This is the cheapest ev in Canada It costs $39,000 and has an advertised 240km max range. Average salary in Canada was $64,850/yr in 2023. That works to $31/hr(52 weeks a year, 8hrs a day, 5 days a week).
For me, I did the math and and an ev would be a toy not a vehicle to save me any money. Gas could double in price and I still wouldn't make sense to buy one compared to keeping the Mirage around...




Nice to be in Canada! In this country, more than 50% of housholds have no savings at all. A broken fridge for example would be a major issue. I worked fulltime as a satellite payload engineer controlling space probes and orbiting satellites, have a B.Sc., M.Sc, D.Sc, and yearly wage after taxes and health insurance is currently around €28500 (US$26200). Today I am a pensioner, struggling with my state pension. Official pensions are 48% of previous average wages.
A friend working fulltime for the government as a senior supervisor in taxation has a considerably lower salary. The cheapest new EV costs around €36 000 here, being 1.41 times yearly income. A tiny one-bedroom apartment costs about €1200/month, heating and utilities at least another €350/month, and the meager rest of about €500.- a month is for totally everything else. No wonder folks are flocking to right wing populists with simple answers to uncomprehended questions. They hope for better times. Scarey and very 1933-ish. Canada gets more attractive every day!