Nissan infection begins... (2022 Mitsubishi Outlander gets Nissan engine)

[AtomicPunk]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but just saw this. We'll see how it goes, I guess. Ive only had a negative experience with a Nissan Altima 2.5 engine that ate it's own front cat and used oil like crazy. Anyone else have any experience to share?

https://carbuzz.com/news/all-new-202...s-nissan-power

Previously, we found out the next Outlander, which should debut in the coming few months, will share a platform with the also all-new Nissan Rogue. Recent spy shots show the new Outlander with overall similar dimensions to the Rogue although Mitsubishi's unique front-end styling could clearly be seen through the camouflage.


[...] A filing for the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) shows the 2022 Outlander will indeed have the new Rogue's 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine with 188 horsepower. Compared to the outgoing Outlander's 2.4-liter four with just 166 hp, that's a 13 percent power increase. And, like the Rogue, both two-wheel-drive and all-wheel-drive configurations are also stated in the filing.

[Dirk Diggler]

I had a 99 Altima that was constantly overheating, no working power windows or AC.

[inuvik]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but just saw this. We'll see how it goes, I guess. Ive only had a negative experience with a Nissan Altima 2.5 engine that ate it's own front cat and used oil like crazy. Anyone else have any experience to share?

https://carbuzz.com/news/all-new-202...s-nissan-power

At least the Nissan 2.5 uses a timing chain instead of a belt.

[Subcompact Culture]

I think we all expected this to happen. I hope this helps Mitsubishi make some sale and such: Anything to bring some relevance and recognition of this brand to the buying public. My guess is most people won't care which engine is under the hood. More importantly, Mitsubishi needs to invest some marketing dollars into this launch to make a splash.

[Mark]

I think we all expected this to happen. I hope this helps Mitsubishi make some sale and such: Anything to bring some relevance and recognition of this brand to the buying public. My guess is most people won't care which engine is under the hood. More importantly, Mitsubishi needs to invest some marketing dollars into this launch to make a splash.

Becoming a "Nissan" product wouldn't bring me to their showroom. I expect the Alliance to be the downfall of Mitsubishi in North America some day, but I hope that I am wrong. I once read someone sharing his mother's high mileage Nissan Rogue (I believe it was 160,000+ miles) was on its 6th CVT.

I know someone who did a 3-year lease with Nissan Rogue, & they would never buy one. They didn't even keep their Rogue for 3 years. They got out of their lease earlier & leased another brand of SUV instead.

I saw the same article last night. It's just the start of the end for Mitsubishi in my mind, but hopefully I am wrong!

[AtomicPunk]

At least the Nissan 2.5 uses a timing chain instead of a belt.

The 2.5 in the 2002-2006 Altima had a precat right off the exhaust manifold, which would break up. Small particles would get sucked back into the engine and score the cylinder walls, creating severe oil leaks past the rings, which made the problem worse. A vicious circle only a replacement engine could fix. Not even a timing chain could redeem it.

[Subcompact Culture]

Becoming a "Nissan" product wouldn't bring me to their showroom. I expect the Alliance to be the downfall of Mitsubishi in North America some day, but I hope that I am wrong. I once read someone sharing his mother's high mileage Nissan Rogue (I believe it was 160,000+ miles) was on its 6th CVT.

I know someone who did a 3-year lease with Nissan Rogue, & they would never buy one. They didn't even keep their Rogue for 3 years. They got out of their lease earlier & leased another brand of SUV instead.

I saw the same article last night. It's just the start of the end for Mitsubishi in my mind, but hopefully I am wrong!

Right, but the mere fact you're on an automotive forum site shows me that you're more than what I call an "IJAC," or "It's Just A Car" person. The overwhelming majority of car buyers are not automotive enthusiasts. They do their research by reading Edmunds, Consumer Reports, Car and Driver, etc., etc. I would bet the average buyer could give a rip about what engine will be under the hood, and are likely 100% unaware of any sort of alliance with any other companies. If Mitsubishi can offer a compelling, well put together, fairly priced, competitive product (and find some marketing dollars to promote it), there isn't any reason it couldn't be a runaway success—something the company really needs. If Mitsubishi can get some sort of positive reviews, I would think it'd help them greatly with their public opinion. Much like when Hyundai and Kia started getting decent write-ups in mainstream automotive outlets. But first, they need to create a car that's better than anything they've made in the last 10 years or so. They need something that goes above the bar, not a car that just meets it.

Can it do that with Nissan and Renault's parts bin? We'll see.

[Dirk Diggler]

I would buy a Nissan if it was just a rebadge Mitsubishi because IMO they make a more reliable powertrain including INVEC III CVT programming. I would not buy a rebadged Nissan with it's Xtronic programming. Maybe I'm wrong and it doesn't really matter because it's still a JATCO but the CVT Aamco specialist told me he hardly ever sees a Mitsubishi in his shop, only Nissans every day. Atlanta has a good number of Mitsu dealerships too.

[thx1138guy]

Nissan corrected the issue with the pre-cat with the 3rd generation Nissan. There haven't been any complaints with this issue with the 5th generation (2013-2018) as of yet. No question that Nissan has slipped in reliability over the years. Competition and relentless cost cutting affect every vehicle manufacturer. Toyota has managed to handle this better than every other car maker.

The problems with Jatco CVT transmissions are well known and, as such, are greatly exaggerated. I have been fortunate thus far to have had no problems with the CVT and no problems overall with my 2014 Altima 2.5S after 92K miles and 6.5 years of ownership. I'm aware that this could change anytime. Something is going to fail it's just a matter of time. I'll be satisfied if this occurs after 200K miles. I'll feel I've gotten my money's worth if it's trouble free until then.

[Mark]

Right, but the mere fact you're on an automotive forum site shows me that you're more than what I call an "IJAC," or "It's Just A Car" person. The overwhelming majority of car buyers are not automotive enthusiasts. They do their research by reading Edmunds, Consumer Reports, Car and Driver, etc., etc. I would bet the average buyer could give a rip about what engine will be under the hood, and are likely 100% unaware of any sort of alliance with any other companies. If Mitsubishi can offer a compelling, well put together, fairly priced, competitive product (and find some marketing dollars to promote it), there isn't any reason it couldn't be a runaway success—something the company really needs. If Mitsubishi can get some sort of positive reviews, I would think it'd help them greatly with their public opinion. Much like when Hyundai and Kia started getting decent write-ups in mainstream automotive outlets. But first, they need to create a car that's better than anything they've made in the last 10 years or so. They need something that goes above the bar, not a car that just meets it.

Can it do that with Nissan and Renault's parts bin? We'll see.

If Nissan or Mitsubishi make/sell a vehicle that comparable (price/performance) to Toyota or Honda, I am buying the Toyota or Honda. If there's a good Mitsubishi dealership in Wisconsin, I am not aware of it yet. I really like my Mirage, but I only bought one with the hope that it will never need warranty (dealership) work done.

Renault has not improved the reputation of Nissan. The same could be said of Fiat & Chrysler/Jeep.

If the Alliance can't turn things around in the upcoming years, I see Mitsubishi headed for the chopping box in North America. I hope that's not the case, however.