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    Quote Originally Posted by davidricardo86 View Post
    I hope the Mirage doesn't go hybrid, instead i hope they refine it and the 3a92 further to squeeze out more MPGs. The Mirage being an entry level subcompact would just become more complex and expensive than it already is. Keep it simple and priced low for the buyers who can't or don't want to spend the extra money. Add the hybrid stuff to the SUVs as those shoppers are naturally looking and willing to spend more money anyways. SUVs with their okay fuel economy would benefit most from the hybrid stuff. Keep making the Mirage the most affordable most fuel efficient non-hybrid in your lineup. Otherwise it'll basically become the now discontinued Prius C. If Toyota couldn't hack a hybrid subcompact what chances does Mitsubishi have? (Well at least here in the states)
    I agree. If Toyota can't make it happen, I doubt Mitsubishi would.

    Last 3 years of Toyota Prius c sales in the States -
    2017 - 12,415
    2018 - 8,399
    2019 - 323 (discontinued)

    Best year was 2013 when 41,979 Prius c were sold. Some ranked the Prius c as one of the most dependable cars on the market. If Toyota can't generate sales of a small car hybrid, Mitsubishi isn't going to turn that around. That is why Mitsubishi is adding a new front to the Mirage & calling it an update. No need to invest a lot of money into a vehicle that people aren't overly interested in.

    The joy of the Mirage is that it has the same 43 mpg highway rating as the Prius c without the expensive hybrid technology.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ares View Post
    I have to agree with this. Small electrified vehicles (See: Prius C, Spark EV, MBW i3) have already failed.

    I'd rather Mitsu refine the mirage rather than hybridize it. Give the mirage a proper 6MT, suspension, +20HP, blind spot monitor, and smart cruise control, priced under $15k and I'll pick up a 2nd one tomorrow.
    +20 hp = 98 hp Chevy Spark

    Adding blind spot monitor, smart cruise control, etc. - adding features would reduce my interest in a Mirage. You couldn't add anything to a Mirage that would make me want to pay $15,000 for one.

    I am not saying extra features can't be added to a Mirage. Just offer customers a base model. The difference in price between the 4-5 Mirage trim levels has been $2000 (when comparing CVT models). That's not much of a difference, & it's been that way for years now. The base level is not all that basic, & the upper trim levels (SE & GT) haven't had a new feature added since the updated 2017 models.

    If I am shopping for an economy car, I want it to be affordable, reliable, & economical to drive. A cheaper, more basic, manual trim level would keep my interest. Adding features/costs, not so much!



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    Quote Originally Posted by davidricardo86 View Post
    I hope the Mirage doesn't go hybrid, instead i hope they refine it and the 3a92 further to squeeze out more MPGs. The Mirage being an entry level subcompact would just become more complex and expensive than it already is. Keep it simple and priced low for the buyers who can't or don't want to spend the extra money. Add the hybrid stuff to the SUVs as those shoppers are naturally looking and willing to spend more money anyways. SUVs with their okay fuel economy would benefit most from the hybrid stuff. Keep making the Mirage the most affordable most fuel efficient non-hybrid in your lineup. Otherwise it'll basically become the now discontinued Prius C. If Toyota couldn't hack a hybrid subcompact what chances does Mitsubishi have? (Well at least here in the states)
    Looking at the specs of the prius(yaris) C, why would anyone want it. It's not a plug in hybrid. The reviews I just read say they get about the same or worse fuel economy than the simpler cheaper Mirage. I'd say people probably only bought them so they could tell their friends at yoga that they now owned a hybrid...

    I agree that a regular Mirage Hybrid would/could be pointless like the prius c. An affordable plug in hybrid on the other hand.....

    If I were to buy a hybrid it'd be a plug in, have an electric range of 50-100km so I could drive for months without having to fuel up(in theory), have 10 at least a year power train/hybrid/battery warranty, have at least 600km total range and be capable of getting fuel economy comparable to the Mirage once the battery is used up.

    I don't care how complicated a car is as long as it's reliable. Besides, manufactures have been making cars harder for driveway warriors to fix themselves for years now. Try replacing a headlight bulb in most modern non Mirage cars. Gone are the days of stopping at a gas station and replacing a bulb in the parking lot.

    People have been able to reprogram ecm's for years, I don't get how that'd change anytime soon. There's always someone trying to find some kind of hacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fummins View Post
    Try replacing a headlight bulb in most modern non Mirage cars. Gone are the days of stopping at a gas station and replacing a bulb
    Same goes for tractors.

    The Mirage has a lot of exposed screws. Is it true the Prius C is just a Yaris? I think that BMW i1 or whatever would suit your needs best. Like the car Larry David drives on the newer Curb Your Enthusiasm episodes. Little BMW hybrid with the motorcycle engine backup. They are expensive, and very rare. I have only seen one in real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dspace9 View Post
    Same goes for tractors.

    The Mirage has a lot of exposed screws. Is it true the Prius C is just a Yaris? I think that BMW i1 or whatever would suit your needs best. Like the car Larry David drives on the newer Curb Your Enthusiasm episodes. Little BMW hybrid with the motorcycle engine backup. They are expensive, and very rare. I have only seen one in real life.
    I was mistaken, I read that the prius c was based on the yaris...Guess that was wrong, Stupid internet! Looking at the 2019 Yaris specs, it seems to have poor fuel economy ratings for being an economy car. Compared to the Mirage of course...

    The BMW I3 is pricey. And the gas engine was an optional range extender option I believe. I don't know if you can even get that anymore on the new ones. I just did a build and price for a loaded I3. Only $62,500 and I could own one! No range extender(gas engine) only 246km range. I'll pass.

    Really the volt would be neat to try. The ioniq plug in(electric plus) also has good specs though the later model volts seem to have around double the electric range as the ioniq.

    But the volts are getting older, discontinued..There is a new 2018 still sitting at a dealership but they want almost $50,000 for it. I wonder how great it is for the hybrid battery to just sit around for 2-3 years not being used? I guess it wouldn't matter since the warranty should start the day you buy it new? Deal with a few battery issues a few years down the road then get it replaced under warranty. If they can source a "new" one???
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    A lot of money for a car. BMW it is understandable, but I'm not sure about $50k on a Volt. Maybe in a few years you can find a used Volt for a much better price. Benefit from the depreciation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
    If I am shopping for an economy car, I want it to be affordable, reliable, & economical to drive. A cheaper, more basic, manual trim level would keep my interest. Adding features/costs, not so much!
    Chevy spark does not have the reliability, size, and gauge cluster (see: normal style) that the mirage has. I also do not know how the the Spark rides as compared to the mirage.

    I dont blame people for wanting a base model car @ $13k. All I'm saying is that if Mitsu can add the items I listed and sell @ $15k, I'd be sold to buy another one or two.

    When I purchased my mirage at '14, it was what I wanted at the time (alloys + push button start + MT). After driving several vehicles with some safety/convenience features that I (initially) thought were gimmicks, I now want them on my daily.

    Hell, I cant even get alloys, PBS, and MT anymore...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ares View Post
    Chevy spark does not have the reliability, size, and gauge cluster (see: normal style) that the mirage has. I also do not know how the the Spark rides as compared to the mirage.

    I dont blame people for wanting a base model car @ $13k. All I'm saying is that if Mitsu can add the items I listed and sell @ $15k, I'd be sold to buy another one or two.

    When I purchased my mirage at '14, it was what I wanted at the time (alloys + push button start + MT). After driving several vehicles with some safety/convenience features that I (initially) thought were gimmicks, I now want them on my daily.

    Hell, I cant even get alloys, PBS, and MT anymore...
    My car before my 2014 Mirage (2014-present) was a '98 Ford Escort wagon. And all the safety features, and ABS integrated, such and such really makes a world of difference. I love the 5 speed in my Mirage, and I find my hatch very versatile.

    I could almost not fit my new marked-down 50" Sharp TV, but it did fit, and my 3 ply webber ladder fits into my Mirage with the hatch closed. So the car can do lots with just being basic and stock 100% like my car.

    One day I would like a bigger freeway cruiser of some sort. Keep my Mirage for roundabout chores almost like a golf cart in town role. Then buy some sort of nice sedan for cruising. If I look at used cars around $8-12, lots of options, from Alfa spyders to newer Buicks. You name it really in that price range.

    Things I tire of my Mirage as well as love, since my Mirage has been my sole car the past 7 years almost.

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    I really like that it's the closest thing to a motorcycle I can get very go-kart like for sure but that's also why I like it also if you want some get up and go you can and get the illusion of speed without breaking speed laws ha.
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    Is know Teslas and Porsche electric cars have very fast acceleration. So I wonder how the acceleration of a Volt compares.

    If people make their 1960s Cobras, and anything else into electric vehicle/classic car restoration and conversion... you could do an electric Mirage pretty easy on one hand anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ares View Post
    I have to agree with this. Small electrified vehicles (See: Prius C, Spark EV, MBW i3) have already failed.

    I'd rather Mitsu refine the mirage rather than hybridize it. Give the mirage a proper 6MT, suspension, +20HP, blind spot monitor, and smart cruise control, priced under $15k and I'll pick up a 2nd one tomorrow.



    There was a thread about it recently
    Two things:

    1.) I would love to own another small EV, with over 200 miles of range, a heat pump, and better tech.

    2.) A more refined Mirage would be great, the 3a92 could be e-turbocharged or supercharged but i worry about the sleeved aluminum block not being able to handle it, maybe add variable valve timing to the exhaust cam as well as roller bearing exhaust cams for the manual transmission cars, add a tall/long 5th gear for low RPM highway 70-80 mph cruising, I'm not sure what else could be done that won't dramatically increase cost or complexity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
    I agree. If Toyota can't make it happen, I doubt Mitsubishi would.

    Last 3 years of Toyota Prius c sales in the States -
    2017 - 12,415
    2018 - 8,399
    2019 - 323 (discontinued)

    Best year was 2013 when 41,979 Prius c were sold. Some ranked the Prius c as one of the most dependable cars on the market. If Toyota can't generate sales of a small car hybrid, Mitsubishi isn't going to turn that around. That is why Mitsubishi is adding a new front to the Mirage & calling it an update. No need to invest a lot of money into a vehicle that people aren't overly interested in.

    The joy of the Mirage is that it has the same 43 mpg highway rating as the Prius c without the expensive hybrid technology.



    +20 hp = 98 hp Chevy Spark

    Adding blind spot monitor, smart cruise control, etc. - adding features would reduce my interest in a Mirage. You couldn't add anything to a Mirage that would make me want to pay $15,000 for one.

    I am not saying extra features can't be added to a Mirage. Just offer customers a base model. The difference in price between the 4-5 Mirage trim levels has been $2000 (when comparing CVT models). That's not much of a difference, & it's been that way for years now. The base level is not all that basic, & the upper trim levels (SE & GT) haven't had a new feature added since the updated 2017 models.

    If I am shopping for an economy car, I want it to be affordable, reliable, & economical to drive. A cheaper, more basic, manual trim level would keep my interest. Adding features/costs, not so much!
    I appreciate the Prius C stats! And I agree, the Mirage is a joy when it can nearly match the fuel economy of a hybrid subcompact.

    The 2020 base Mirage is only available with a manual transmission and comes standard with all the major features I'd want. I cannot complain. The new front end looks good, the base formula hasn't changed much but cosmetically the Mirage has aged alright i think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fummins View Post
    Looking at the specs of the prius(yaris) C, why would anyone want it. It's not a plug in hybrid. The reviews I just read say they get about the same or worse fuel economy than the simpler cheaper Mirage. I'd say people probably only bought them so they could tell their friends at yoga that they now owned a hybrid...

    I agree that a regular Mirage Hybrid would/could be pointless like the prius c. An affordable plug in hybrid on the other hand.....

    If I were to buy a hybrid it'd be a plug in, have an electric range of 50-100km so I could drive for months without having to fuel up(in theory), have 10 at least a year power train/hybrid/battery warranty, have at least 600km total range and be capable of getting fuel economy comparable to the Mirage once the battery is used up.

    I don't care how complicated a car is as long as it's reliable. Besides, manufactures have been making cars harder for driveway warriors to fix themselves for years now. Try replacing a headlight bulb in most modern non Mirage cars. Gone are the days of stopping at a gas station and replacing a bulb in the parking lot.

    People have been able to reprogram ecm's for years, I don't get how that'd change anytime soon. There's always someone trying to find some kind of hacks.
    I've never considered a plug-in hybrid, I have considered Prius C and regular Prius. But a plug-in hybrid would leave me wanting a really good full EV. Have you considered the Bolt EV or are you looking specifically for that ICE backup?


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