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    Quote Originally Posted by Driven Slow View Post
    Look at the "Oil Filter Part Number" thread. foama explains how some oil filters have a bypass valve (in addition to an anti-drainback valve) allowing for smoother startup while oil pressure is still low. The oil filter you want is a WIX 51356 or equivalent because it has a bypass valve. The 57356 or equivalent (which now comes up as the recommended filter) is noticeably rougher at startup and that's what you are experiencing now. Also, if you live in a really cold region, I would stick with 0W-20 or even 0W-16 oil.
    Someone got this statement from Wix on another forum thread related to this topic.

    "Wix will only warranty the filter we say to use only. If you install another one and it should cause any problems there will be no warranty on it through Wix."

    Wix recommends the 57356 for a Mirage.

    You would have to show me something that states the internals (drainback & by-pass valves) are different.

    Someone in another forum was told this by Wix (in reference to 51356 to 57346) -

    Here is the reply I received from Wix

    "57356 has a more recessed baseplate to allow more thread engagement and a better gasket seal."

    Thank you for your interest in WIX Filters. check out our website @ www.wixfilters.com Product Information (800) 949-6698 Mon-Fri, 8:30am-5:00pm, (Eastern)

    My impression from all this is - the 51356 was an old popular Honda oil filter that started to be used for other vehicle applications, but it was found to need to some improvements to fit other vehicle brands better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Driven Slow View Post
    Look at the "Oil Filter Part Number" thread. foama explains how some oil filters have a bypass valve (in addition to an anti-drainback valve) allowing for smoother startup while oil pressure is still low. The oil filter you want is a WIX 51356 or equivalent because it has a bypass valve. The 57356 or equivalent (which now comes up as the recommended filter) is noticeably rougher at startup and that's what you are experiencing now. Also, if you live in a really cold region, I would stick with 0W-20 or even 0W-16 oil.
    I think maybe you've got some of this mixed up. You or me do, because that sounds backward. I bought 2 oil filters at a time. I bought 2 Wix 51356. I've had the same rattle at start up from the beginning. These filters did not change the rattle.

    What I heard was that the 57356 is noticeably less rough / rattly at start up. I don't know this as a fact. But will find out at my next oil change. Which is not too long from now. The rattle bothers me very little in any event.

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    I posted pics of both 57356 and 51356 a while ago. One had bigger and less holes? than the other and the base plate was a more or less concave. They both have anti drainback valves and look similar in size otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
    Someone got this statement from Wix on another forum thread related to this topic.

    "Wix will only warranty the filter we say to use only. If you install another one and it should cause any problems there will be no warranty on it through Wix."

    Wix recommends the 57356 for a Mirage.

    You would have to show me something that states the internals (drainback & by-pass valves) are different.

    Someone in another forum was told this by Wix (in reference to 51356 to 57346) -

    Here is the reply I received from Wix

    "57356 has a more recessed baseplate to allow more thread engagement and a better gasket seal."

    Thank you for your interest in WIX Filters. check out our website @ www.wixfilters.com Product Information (800) 949-6698 Mon-Fri, 8:30am-5:00pm, (Eastern)

    My impression from all this is - the 51356 was an old popular Honda oil filter that started to be used for other vehicle applications, but it was found to need to some improvements to fit other vehicle brands better.
    Mark, thanks I didn't realize someone got an official answer on the difference between the two part numbers. The 57356 does have a noticeably more concave base plate and the flow holes on the plate are smaller. I also noticed that the last 51356 I installed was made in Mexico and an unused Napa 47356 I still have (same as a WIX 57356) is made in the USA. Since I still have the old 57356 I don't intend to use, I am going to cut both filters open and see if I can find proof that the 51356 has the bypass valve. I don't see any other reason for the cold starts to be so different between the two. Despite the difference in the size of the flow holes, the stated flow rates are identical (9-11 gpm).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7milesout View Post
    I think maybe you've got some of this mixed up. You or me do, because that sounds backward. I bought 2 oil filters at a time. I bought 2 Wix 51356. I've had the same rattle at start up from the beginning. These filters did not change the rattle.

    What I heard was that the 57356 is noticeably less rough / rattly at start up. I don't know this as a fact. But will find out at my next oil change. Which is not too long from now. The rattle bothers me very little in any event.
    7milesout, what I observed (driving in a hot climate) is a half-second rattle at a coldstart with the 57356 (the current recommended filter by all auto parts stores) or 1-2 seconds if the car had been sitting for a few days. The 51356 rattles for only a split-second if at all and with COVID, my Mirage sometimes sits for a week at a time.

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    I was looking on Rock Auto this afternoon to see what filter the Mirage used and noticed it listed the same part number I'm using on my '16 Versa. The filters I'm using on it are PartsPlus store branded filters made by Champion. Soon after buying the Versa I ordered a dozen of them from Rock Auto at a final cost of $2. including shipping to my front door. I've never worried about getting the latest and greatest oil/filter. I drove an '88 Ford Escort to 518K miles using various brands of conventional 10w40 and the cheapest filters I could find. I've seen cut open PartsPlus/Champion filters and they look like well made filters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
    As far Mitsubishi goes, all the current models use the same filter. Even the 1.5L turbo in the Eclipse and the 6-cylinder engine used on upper trim level of the Outlander use the same filter.

    Personally, I tend to use the Purolator ONE (10,000 mile rated), & I change oil/filter every 5,000 miles. If I did longer intervals I would use the Purolator BOSS. I use these, because my local Farm & Fleet store carries them. If I was buying filters from Rock Auto or local auto parts store, I may go with the Wix.

    I would never hesitate to use the Fram Ultra Synthetic filter sold by most everyone either. I know some like to slam Fram, but the Ultra Synthetic is way better than most oil filters on the market.

    I would never rule out Baldwin oil filters, but I would have search for or order one. Sometimes, it's just easier pulling what you need off the shelf.
    I just replaced the stock one with the FRAM, I like the quality and metal base. I've used it on my Toyota's as well with zero issues. Go with what ya know!

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    Outside of America the FILTRON OP575 is the way to go!

    It features the best PTFE non-return valve, which minimizes start-up rattle due to lacking lubrication, and that valve keeps its shape and function at all temperatures at all times. It also has a bypass valve. The Mitsubishi filter has no bypass valve! The bypass valve of the OP575 opens at over 1 bar pressure.
    The price for such a filter is about the same as a coffee to go at the big M's, so why skimp on quality at that price?


    What really disgusts me are the photos of some of the crappy oil filters sold in the states! That "quality" would not sell here, it would be financial suicide in these parts to put a brand name on trash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foama View Post
    Outside of America the FILTRON OP575 is the way to go!
    There's the answer to the first post in this thread!

    MANN + HUMMEL owns Filtron, Wix, & Purolator. I believe they make Mobil 1 oil filters now, & I just seen this release a couple days ago -

    MANN+HUMMEL
    "This announcement marks a milestone expansion of Advance's 30-plus year partnership with MANN+HUMMEL, a leading global manufacturer of filtration products. MANN+HUMMEL will begin manufacturing oil filter products for the CARQUEST standard and premium professional-grade oil filter lines." 3 days ago

    https://www.aftermarketnews.com/adva...filter%20lines.

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    Oil Filter WIX/NAPA 1356/7356 comparison

    Sorry for taking a couple weeks to get around to this but I cut open a Napa Platinum 47356 and a WIX 51356XP. This should be an apples to apples comparison because the Napa Platinums are juts rebranded WIX XPs. It turns out I was incorrect about any difference between the byapss valves. They both use the spring-type valve someone explained in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B_hWb5mCCg

    Although the 7356 does have the recessed baseplate that could conceivably allow for a more secure fit, the major difference is the 1356's superior anti-drainback valve (shown in the foreground). Although both are silicone, the one on the 1356 is much heavier and has more texture. I imagine this makes the difference in preventing dry starts. The filter material also has slightly more surface area on the 1356 as evidenced by the cylinder being slightly taller.

    The tension springs that activate the bypass valve and filter gaskets are identical between the two.


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