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    JATCO introduces new CVTX to replace the CVT8. Copying Aisin for better reliability?

    I know this news doesn't pertain to us Mirage owners with CVT7s but I thought it was interesting that JATCO abandoned the push belt style for a chain. It's supposed to cause 30% less wear and tear over time vs the CVT8. Its not available in any models sold in the US so far, only the Nissan Qashqai sold in Europe. Could this be the successor for the Outlander Sport, Eclipse Cross, and Outlander?

    https://www.jatco.co.jp/english/rele...0630_1247.html

    Other question. Does the PHEV Outlander come with a CVT8 or does it have something different because its a plugin hybrid? I ask because it seems CVTs seem to hold up much better in hybrids and EVs than they do in ICE vehicles. Thoughts?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler View Post
    I know this news doesn't pertain to us Mirage owners with CVT7s but I thought it was interesting that JATCO abandoned the push belt style for a chain. It's supposed to cause 30% less wear and tear over time vs the CVT8. Its not available in any models sold in the US so far, only the Nissan Qashqai sold in Europe. Could this be the successor for the Outlander Sport, Eclipse Cross, and Outlander?

    https://www.jatco.co.jp/english/rele...0630_1247.html

    Other question. Does the PHEV Outlander come with a CVT8 or does it have something different because its a plugin hybrid? I ask because it seems CVTs seem to hold up much better in hybrids and EVs than they do in ICE vehicles. Thoughts?
    The PHEV Outlander uses a single speed electric motors at both axles and should be very reliable and does not use a CVT or multi-speed automatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inuvik View Post
    The PHEV Outlander uses a single speed electric motors at both axles and should be very reliable and does not use a CVT or multi-speed automatic.
    That's what I figured. The PHEV is possibly the most reliable Mitsu made this century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler View Post
    That's what I figured. The PHEV is possibly the most reliable Mitsu made this century.
    I agree, with the 2.4 4B12 engine that's been detuned to 126hp and rev limited to a maximum 4500rpm (it must have a different cam because torque & hp peak are both @4500rpm). With normal maintenance that engine won't ever be stressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inuvik View Post
    I agree, with the 2.4 4B12 engine that's been detuned to 126hp and rev limited to a maximum 4500rpm (it must have a different cam because torque & hp peak are both @4500rpm). With normal maintenance that engine won't ever be stressed.
    I just wondered if all the complaining finally got to JATCO and they just started copying what AISIN does?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler View Post
    I know this news doesn't pertain to us Mirage owners with CVT7s but I thought it was interesting that JATCO abandoned the push belt style for a chain. It's supposed to cause 30% less wear and tear over time vs the CVT8. Its not available in any models sold in the US so far, only the Nissan Qashqai sold in Europe. Could this be the successor for the Outlander Sport, Eclipse Cross, and Outlander?

    https://www.jatco.co.jp/english/rele...0630_1247.html

    Other question. Does the PHEV Outlander come with a CVT8 or does it have something different because its a plugin hybrid? I ask because it seems CVTs seem to hold up much better in hybrids and EVs than they do in ICE vehicles. Thoughts?
    The outlander PHEV does not have a transmission instead they use some sort of transfer case with clutches to transfer power between the engine and electric motor its pretty cleaver unlike the toyota corolla cross hybrid they still use cvt on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inuvik View Post
    I agree, with the 2.4 4B12 engine that's been detuned to 126hp and rev limited to a maximum 4500rpm (it must have a different cam because torque & hp peak are both @4500rpm). With normal maintenance that engine won't ever be stressed.
    that 4b12 from the outlander PHEV uses Atkinson cycle, and yah that engine is super relax considering that its just driving the generator and only help drives the vehicle when its running 135kph above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allrock View Post
    that 4b12 from the outlander PHEV uses Atkinson cycle, and yah that engine is super relax considering that its just driving the generator and only help drives the vehicle when its running 135kph above.
    Absolutely, realistically the 4b12 will most likely last longer than the battery pack. With the available regeneration modes available I would imagine a set of brakes would last a long time also. Although the Outlander PHEV doesn't have a long battery only range (24 miles / 38 kilometers) I would imagine that if most of your trips are short grocery getter type of errands or short commutes then you probably aren't going to run your engine that much at all. It does have fast level charging so you can recharge to 80% in in around 20 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inuvik View Post
    Absolutely, realistically the 4b12 will most likely last longer than the battery pack. With the available regeneration modes available I would imagine a set of brakes would last a long time also. Although the Outlander PHEV doesn't have a long battery only range (24 miles / 38 kilometers) I would imagine that if most of your trips are short grocery getter type of errands or short commutes then you probably aren't going to run your engine that much at all. It does have fast level charging so you can recharge to 80% in in around 20 minutes.
    And also it can charge itself when the engine is in use, so range anxiety is out of the picture regardless if the EV range is short, you can literally bring this electric vehicle to the wilderness and come back with it.



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