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    Dirk - I will throw my $0.02 in from having been there and worked in design directly with Toyota. My perspective is from the TMC (Toyota Motor Company) perspective. The Japanese leadership are, again in my experience, just as humble as you might imagine could ever be possible from a corporate leadership perspective. For real, they ONLY want to do what is right and best for the customer. They beat that into the engineers (especially the Camry engineers), and I appreciated working for such leadership. As hard and time consuming as it was, I appreciated it. It's the only company I have regretted leaving (because wife).

    However, when things get handed over to the American side (sales - TMMNA), things are more bean counter focused there. And the bean counters will take advantage, and I believe that's where the term you mentioned, the Toyota tax stems from. So ... I say this with a suggestion to you that while I do NOT think you are wrong, keep in the back of your mind, there are a crapload of employees who all they want to do is conceive, design, develop and manufacture the best possible version of a vehicle for their customers. And American bean counters unfortunately get involved in the middle of a transaction and take advantage of the fact that the development group is so very effective. The bean counters make all their bar charts on their pretty powerpoint presentations and present to each other. Then those American fat cats head out to the golf courses, smoke their cigars, drink whiskey and pat each other on the back and congratulate each other on just how brilliant they are. When all they really have done is decide how high they can push margins and get away with it (keep sales numbers up).

    Sorry, went off on one of Newman's rants...


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    I've been a fan of EG civics from the 90's, similar to what you were describing. I was looking for one in decent shape but like you said they're all rusted out or have horrendous ricer mods on them. Every now and then I see a decent one pop up (stock or modded) but it gets sold in a week and it's always at a time I'm not looking for a car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeti View Post
    I've been a fan of EG civics from the 90's, similar to what you were describing. I was looking for one in decent shape but like you said they're all rusted out or have horrendous ricer mods on them. Every now and then I see a decent one pop up (stock or modded) but it gets sold in a week and it's always at a time I'm not looking for a car.
    Yeah, I regret not buying one back in the day. I was a working college student at that time, and to be honest I could have made the payments. But I would have had to get full coverage insurance too. And at that age it would have been high. If I had taken that chance, it would have been all I could have afforded to pay for the car and insurance, and nothing left over. I preferred to have a safety buffer. And besides I had a good car at that time ... a 1984 Celica GT (5 speed, RWD). And it was paid off!

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    The Celica is defiantly good though, maybe one day we can a find non-crusty old civic

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    And my experience with this and a few others is, a 90's economy car is the Pinnacle of an efficient, not overdone car that is pleasant enough to drive that those who complain are very, very particular people.
    But the Mirage has better amenities and is much safer than a 90's econobox!

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    True! That's one of the reasons why I love it!



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