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    Enasaves aren't the only 145/65-15 and there are even snow tires with that size. Those Quatrac 5s seem to often have a narrower track than other tires of the same listed size and have a higher PSI rating than Enasaves.
    Other things to think about concerning traction and mpg:
    Non LRR tires may have better traction, so you could get better traction with a narrower tire than stock Enasaves.
    Higher PSI may have better MPG than lower PSI, so you could get better MPG with higher PSI tires than stock Enasaves.

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    Good info. Do you know the size of those i3 tires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7milesout View Post

    All else being the same except the width, the skinnier tires should win. But someone brought up the fact of load carrying capacity ... and stability. This alone would be a deal breaker, as those skinner tires I mentioned were down 224 pounds per tire. Nearly 900 total pounds. That is quite substantial. I don't think I'd do that even if they were cheap.
    I noticed that the 145/65-15s are on the i-MiEV which is heavier than the 165/65-14 Mirage. I suspect we shouldn't have to worry about it.

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    The 15" tires on the i-MiEV might have a much larger carrying capacity than those 145 - 14's I was looking at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7milesout View Post
    Good info. Do you know the size of those i3 tires?
    i3 tire options -

    Front: 155-70-19 & Rear: 175-60-19

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    Front: 155-60-20 & Rear: 175-55-20

    Obviously, a 27.5" diameter tire (155/70r19) isn't going to fit very well under a Mirage.

    Narrow 15" rims and 145/65r15 tires are an interesting concept, however. They have the same 22.4" diameter as 165/65r14 tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magenta View Post
    Enasaves aren't the only 145/65-15 and there are even snow tires with that size. Those Quatrac 5s seem to often have a narrower track than other tires of the same listed size and have a higher PSI rating than Enasaves.
    Other things to think about concerning traction and mpg:
    Non LRR tires may have better traction, so you could get better traction with a narrower tire than stock Enasaves.
    Higher PSI may have better MPG than lower PSI, so you could get better MPG with higher PSI tires than stock Enasaves.

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    You bring up several good points!

    The Vredestein Quatrac 5 tire is a little bit of a unique beast. In European countries & other places, they may have more options like the Quatrac 5. Unless they disappear, my next tire purchase will be a pair of 165/65r14 Quatrac 5 tires.

    I consider the 165/65r14 Kumho Solus TA31 an average tire in today's market. It competitively priced & has a good 500AA/60,000 mile warranty rating.

    165/65r14 Kumho Solus TA31 specs -
    500AA, 963 pounds load capacity, 44 psi, 9.5/32" tread depth, 14 lbs tire weight, 4.5-6" rim range, 5.2" tread width, 22.4" diameter, Korea

    165/65r14 Vredestein Quatrac 5 specs-
    400AA, 963 pounds load capacity, 51 psi, 10/32" tread depth, 12 lbs tire weight, 4.5-6" rim range, 4.6" tread width, 22.4" diameter, Netherlands

    145/65r15 Vredestein Quatrac 5 specs-
    400AA, 783 pounds load capacity, 51 psi, 10/32" tread depth, 11 lbs tire weight, 4.5-6" rim range, 4.2" tread width, 22.4" diameter, Netherlands

    Comparing the 165/65r14 Solus TA31 to Quatrac 5
    The Quatrac 5 has slightly deeper treads starting out. It also weighs 2 pounds less & has a .6" narrower tread pattern. Since the psi is 51 versus most tires being 44, I would inflate it higher than the Kumho tires, too.

    If a person jumps to a 145/65r15 Quatrac 5 (which would require different 15" rims), you are shaving 1 more pound off the tire. 15" rims could weigh more than 14" rims, however. You are also shaving another .4" off the tread width, but that does come at a cost of lower tire payload capacity.

    I see value in trying the 165/65r14 Quatrac tires on factory rims, because some tire weight & tread width is shaved off compared to your typical tire like the Kumho. Plus, the Quatrac 5 is an all-weather tire (not all-season), which may give it added traction. The Kumho may wear better during the summer months especially, however.

    Every person's situation is different. I am using 8 different 14" steel rims on my Mirage. The thought of having 14" & 15" rims is not appealing to me. I sort of prefer the specs of the 165/65r14 Quatrac 5 tires.

    I didn't include Dunlop Enasave tires in the discussion because of price. I am not willing to pay $165-185/tire for them. Quatrac 5 prices ($70-80/tire) have remained relatively constant since I first noticed them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
    The Vredestein Quatrac 5 tire is a little bit of a unique beast. In European countries & other places, they may have more options like the Quatrac 5. Unless they disappear, my next tire purchase will be a pair of 165/65r14 Quatrac 5 tires.
    I think I noticed they were on "Special / Closeout" on tirerack ... so they could disappear.

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    Here you go skinny tire lovers Attachment 23002

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fummins View Post
    Here you go skinny tire lovers Attachment 23002
    This was the exact image I was thinking about!


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