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View my fuel log 2014 Mirage ES 1.2 manual: 62.4 mpg (US) ... 26.5 km/L ... 3.8 L/100 km ... 74.9 mpg (Imp)
inuvik (04-01-2018)
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View my fuel log 2015 Mirage ES 1.2 automatic: 40.5 mpg (US) ... 17.2 km/L ... 5.8 L/100 km ... 48.6 mpg (Imp)
No comment.
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View my fuel log 2014 Mirage ES 1.2 manual: 62.4 mpg (US) ... 26.5 km/L ... 3.8 L/100 km ... 74.9 mpg (Imp)
You'd have to shift really fast to avoid engine run away and you'll just grind against a redlining engine, I don't think 5->4 would be possible (tried once when I had a 5spd Accord), but I don't have cruise control yet
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2004 Accord EX 5MT Graphite Pearl RIP
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You are correct, idle control logic will only engage in a limited set of circumstances (no ac engaged, front defroster setting off, no rear window defroster turned on, flat ground). You could turn the setting from "auto" to a set temperature and not turn on the AC or defroster. This is why I put my CVT into neutral at every stop because if idle control logic is not engaged then you are sitting there with the belt slipping which of course increases wear.
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View my fuel log 2015 Mirage ES 1.2 automatic: 40.5 mpg (US) ... 17.2 km/L ... 5.8 L/100 km ... 48.6 mpg (Imp)
You don't have to worry about the belt slipping. If that slips, it makes a terrible noise and your CVT will be out of order very soon!. The energy difference between the running engine and the standing wheels will be absorbed by the fluid coupling and converted to heat. In the owner's manual it is recommended to switch to neutral only when you have to stop for an extended period. However, some car technicians told me that is nonsense and I can keep it in drive eternally as there is so little power output that is converted into heat in the torque converter, that the oil will not overheat. Anyway the take away message is, you belt never slips unless your CVT is broken and makes a lot of terrible noise.
That may be but all I know is that the only way to make sure the CVT is in neutral at a stop is to place it into neutral. I also start in "B" from every stop because it upshifts way to early for my liking so I'll throttle up to about 3000 rpm in "B" and then upshift into "D". Acceleration is better without mashing the throttle.
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View my fuel log 2015 Mirage ES 1.2 automatic: 40.5 mpg (US) ... 17.2 km/L ... 5.8 L/100 km ... 48.6 mpg (Imp)
Idle logic only works in certain situations. How limited is idle neutral logic? This limited:
Idle neutral control is started when all of the following conditions are fulfilled. However, during idle neutral control, idle neutral control is stopped when any of the following conditions is not met.
Driving environment: Flat road or road with mild grade
Selector lever position: *D* position
Vehicle speed: 0 km/h (0 MPH)
Accelerator pedal position: 0.0/8
Brake pedal: Depressed
Engine speed: Idle
Turn signal lamp/hazard signal lamp: Not activated
Idle neutral control stops or is prohibited when the TCM and ECM detect that the vehicle is in one of the following conditions.
- Engine coolant temperature and CVT fluid temperature are the specified temperature or more, or the specified temperature or less.
- When a transaxle malfunction occurs.
- When the vehicle detects DTC and is in the fail-safe mode.
- When idle speed increases due to heavy electric load*.
*: When any one of rear window defogger switch, A/C switch, headlamp, fog lamp is turned ON or when the steering wheel is operated.
Sooo, the only way to make sure that the transmission goes into neutral at every stop is to shift into neutral.
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View my fuel log 2015 Mirage ES 1.2 automatic: 40.5 mpg (US) ... 17.2 km/L ... 5.8 L/100 km ... 48.6 mpg (Imp)
Eggman (12-20-2018)