Gear oil report 5MT: Lightweight shockproof + graphene

[Fummins]

Who knows maybe the op's transmission will outlast Steve's?

There are lots of people that claim you have to run oem fluid in your cvt or it won't last. Slightly off topic but close enough:

I'm not sure if this stuff has been posted before. It must have all the original herbs and spices all in one bottle!

I think it was and I thought it was a horrible idea at the time. Now I care less and would give it a go if I had a more reliable spare vehicle.

[Top_Fuel]

Interesting. If you Google this stuff you end up at multiple bobistheoilguy threads.

[Fummins]

Interesting. If you Google this stuff you end up at multiple bobistheoilguy threads.

Must be nice to have a bottle with only English on it.

[sunbeam]

Hi all,

Thanks for the input I do enjoy a mirage gear oil thread.

Just a few things:

1. I do the fluid changes myself and this is my only car so my use case is different from those of you with multiple cars / industrial mirage use. ie. to me it is worth it to spend a few more minute / dollars on fluid changes.

2. As I learn more about different options, I have been slowly changing to what is hopefully optimal, not trying to economize on money for fluids but applaud those who do.

3. My gear oil was changed at 6,000km (break in) and 16,000 km and it was clearly still good for both changes, I changed it to test a potentially better product, I intend to run the shockproof for what the manual says (49,000 km for mine).

4. Here are a few citations that I read which motivated my gear oil choices, again, I am trying to find the optimal, and add another data point with this particular combination of products.

https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/f...OD_INFO(1).pdf
https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/f...Tech_6.20_.pdf
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...01679X23000075

5. Will obviously need to follow this post up with another engine oil/filter post because that is the most fun topic to argue about lol.

Thank you all for your expertise and insight, its great to chat with a group who loves the mirage.

[Mark]

Hi all,

Thanks for the input I do enjoy a mirage gear oil thread.

Just a few things:

1. I do the fluid changes myself and this is my only car so my use case is different from those of you with multiple cars / industrial mirage use. ie. to me it is worth it to spend a few more minute / dollars on fluid changes.

2. As I learn more about different options, I have been slowly changing to what is hopefully optimal, not trying to economize on money for fluids but applaud those who do.

3. My gear oil was changed at 6,000km (break in) and 16,000 km and it was clearly still good for both changes, I changed it to test a potentially better product, I intend to run the shockproof for what the manual says (49,000 km for mine).

4. Here are a few citations that I read which motivated my gear oil choices, again, I am trying to find the optimal, and add another data point with this particular combination of products.

https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/f...OD_INFO(1).pdf
https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/f...Tech_6.20_.pdf
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...01679X23000075

5. Will obviously need to follow this post up with another engine oil/filter post because that is the most fun topic to argue about lol.

Thank you all for your expertise and insight, its great to chat with a group who loves the mirage.

If you care about your transmission, what did you find out about the bold print below?

VRed Line LightWeight Shockproof gear oil is designed to lubricate racing transmissions and transaxles that see serious loads (not recommended for most syncro-type transmissions).

Have you verified this product is recommended for a Mitsubishi Mirage manual transmission?

[7milesout]

sunbeam - You are a Top Gun Mirage owner (IMO). To own only 1 vehicle is VERY romantic. You own this one vehicle and it is one helluva useful vehicle to own ... and you're doing your own maintenance to the car. So, that's why I say you are a Top Gun owner.

I'm no rich guy. I have a lot of cars. But it's gone like this for me. As my personal income increased, the value/cost of the vehicles for which I had the hots, decreased. 2 of the cars I currently own were free. 1 I sold this year I paid $2,750 for, then sold it for $4,500. Owned it for 7 years. The other vehicles have been procured over time. 3 for my sons, 1 for The Warden.

From what I can discern, I think you are doing everything right for your car IMO.


7milesout

[sunbeam]

If you care about your transmission, what did you find out about the bold print below?

VRed Line LightWeight Shockproof gear oil is designed to lubricate racing transmissions and transaxles that see serious loads (not recommended for most syncro-type transmissions).

Have you verified this product is recommended for a Mitsubishi Mirage manual transmission?

In the data sheets above the syncro recommendation is not mentioned.
It meets the 75w80 requirements and the data sheets show improved reductions in friction.
This and the feel of the shifts to me suggests it is ok, however only long term use will tell.

Will report back the results.

[jonesboro]

In the data sheets above the syncro recommendation is not mentioned.
It meets the 75w80 requirements and the data sheets show improved reductions in friction.
This and the feel of the shifts to me suggests it is ok, however only long term use will tell.

Will report back the results.

Please do. I'll wait until the 60k second-hand warranty is gone before I try it but if you put on many miles with no issues I may try it as the second trans fluid change. I've just passed 19k on my 2022 5MT and plan on doing Redline MTL @ 30k as people keep suggesting here. Some say it improves shifting a bit so that would be cool. I don't know how much you actually can improve it considering this is a little economy gear box with cable linkage.

I ran the Redline earl in mine and it didn't improve shinola. It's the same, or if anything, it's a microscopic amount worster.

Not encouraging. I was looking forward to slightly smoother shifts with the MTL.

[sunbeam]

sunbeam - You are a Top Gun Mirage owner (IMO). To own only 1 vehicle is VERY romantic. You own this one vehicle and it is one helluva useful vehicle to own ... and you're doing your own maintenance to the car. So, that's why I say you are a Top Gun owner.

I'm no rich guy. I have a lot of cars. But it's gone like this for me. As my personal income increased, the value/cost of the vehicles for which I had the hots, decreased. 2 of the cars I currently own were free. 1 I sold this year I paid $2,750 for, then sold it for $4,500. Owned it for 7 years. The other vehicles have been procured over time. 3 for my sons, 1 for The Warden.

From what I can discern, I think you are doing everything right for your car IMO.


7milesout

Thank you for the kind words, means a lot coming from you. I also see people aquire amazing cars randomly and before I knew a bit more about cars I was offered a mazda mx6 for free which I am so sad I did not take. My friend was gifted a 1998 toyota 4runner and I hope to make a few more dollars to buy a subaru BRZ before they stop making them.

[sunbeam]

Please do. I'll wait until the 60k second-hand warranty is gone before I try it but if you put on many miles with no issues I may try it as the second trans fluid change. I've just passed 19k on my 2022 5MT and plan on doing Redline MTL @ 30k as people keep suggesting here. Some say it improves shifting a bit so that would be cool. I don't know how much you actually can improve it considering this is a little economy gear box with cable linkage.



Not encouraging. I was looking forward to slightly smoother shifts with the MTL.

So, when I switched to the synthetic 75w90 liquid-moly it really smoothed out, but this lightweight shockproof + graphene cocktail is smooth and has a bit of extra "cushion" on the shifts, it is more forgiving on missed shifts, it is a really pleasant feeling for sure. I just hit 22,000km but I drive quite a bit for work so expecting long term results soon.