Hyundai Ioniq

[Pryme]

So I've been casually looking at options if gas skyrockets in the next year or so.(green energy costs a lot of money, gas prices, electricity, fossil fuels to heat your home) all will likely go up.

If this does happen, driving my Tundra will be less than fun getting 15.6mpg avg around town.

I would probably sell it and buy something else and the Hyundai Ioniq sure looks good! 21k new for the blue which gets 58mpg EPA and I bet even more driven right, 10yr/100k warranty, lifetime warranty on the battery for orig owner and a big enough hatch to fit a stroller and other gear!

I know my tundra would bring in more than that so I could buy the Ioniq outright and have a lot leftover to save.

I though someone on here had one? Anyone have experience with one?

[7milesout]

I have experience with Toyota (as a design engineer) and Hyundai (as a design engineer). In my opinion most or all Hyundai-Kia vehicles are an attempt at a copy of a Toyota vehicle, except not as good, and a lot ****tier to boot. My personal feeling is, why buy a Hyundai-Kia if Toyota exists? However, Hyundai-Kia is still better than most of the Euro trash these days. So, don't get me wrong, one could do worse than a Hyundai-Kia.

The last point is, unless you're in a bad spot financially with your Tundra, a pick-up truck is the most useful tool. Although, these days I'm wondering if I couldn't just tow my cute little utility trailer around, even with the Mirage, and get about as much use out of that combo as I would a pick-up truck.

[Pryme]

I have experience with Toyota (as a design engineer) and Hyundai (as a design engineer). In my opinion most or all Hyundai-Kia vehicles are an attempt at a copy of a Toyota vehicle, except not as good, and a lot ****tier to boot. My personal feeling is, why buy a Hyundai-Kia if Toyota exists? However, Hyundai-Kia is still better than most of the Euro trash these days. So, don't get me wrong, one could do worse than a Hyundai-Kia.

The last point is, unless you're in a bad spot financially with your Tundra, a pick-up truck is the most useful tool. Although, these days I'm wondering if I couldn't just tow my cute little utility trailer around, even with the Mirage, and get about as much use out of that combo as I would a pick-up truck.

I own the truck outright and its low mileage and mint condition so private party value is still like 34-35k.
But if gas goes to 4+ a gallon I'm going to be super annoyed filling up the truck.

I was looking at the Prius too but ioniq looks better imo and has a lifetime warranty on the battery. It's also a few thousand less. I like toyota but won't blindly buy one if something else seems better.

I bought a Sedona van recently over the sienna because the sedona performed better and had batter features and was 6k less with a better warranty.

[Fummins]

So I've been casually looking at options if gas skyrockets in the next year or so.(green energy costs a lot of money, gas prices, electricity, fossil fuels to heat your home) all will likely go up.

If this does happen, driving my Tundra will be less than fun getting 15.6mpg avg around town.

I would probably sell it and buy something else and the Hyundai Ioniq sure looks good! 21k new for the blue which gets 58mpg EPA and I bet even more driven right, 10yr/100k warranty, lifetime warranty on the battery for orig owner and a big enough hatch to fit a stroller and other gear!

I know my tundra would bring in more than that so I could buy the Ioniq outright and have a lot leftover to save.

I though someone on here had one? Anyone have experience with one?

I'm interested in those as well. If I were to buy one today, I'd probably go with the plug in version and drive mostly using electric since I don't have a long commute.

I have experience with Toyota (as a design engineer) and Hyundai (as a design engineer). In my opinion most or all Hyundai-Kia vehicles are an attempt at a copy of a Toyota vehicle, except not as good, and a lot ****tier to boot. My personal feeling is, why buy a Hyundai-Kia if Toyota exists? However, Hyundai-Kia is still better than most of the Euro trash these days. So, don't get me wrong, one could do worse than a Hyundai-Kia.

The last point is, unless you're in a bad spot financially with your Tundra, a pick-up truck is the most useful tool. Although, these days I'm wondering if I couldn't just tow my cute little utility trailer around, even with the Mirage, and get about as much use out of that combo as I would a pick-up truck.

Scotty, is that you? You're too late, Pryme already has a kia lol
Why buy one over a toyota? Aren't they cheaper and have a longer warranty? I almost dumped the ol' lady when I found out she owned a 15' optima. Thought they were stupid korean junk. They've come a long ways since the early 2000's. Mind you she got rid of it after 4 problem free years. Her 2020 Sorento has been alright except for the sunroof not wanting to close on it's own this summer. Still haven't gotten that dealt with. I'll pull the fuse lol.

[Loren]

Back when I was thinking about replacing the Mirage with something newish, a slightly used Ioniq appealed to me greatly! But, then I remembered that I don't drive my cars that much, and it would be silly to incur another car payment and higher insurance just to have a nicer car in the driveway that gets an easy 60 mpg.

But, if you drive a lot... The Ioniq makes a lot of sense!

And my company has a 2017 Kia Rio and 2017 Hyundai Accent as drivers ed cars. No complaints with either. Hyundai/Kia has come a long way in the past 20 years. Anybody remember the disaster that was the 1987 Hyundai Excel?

They aren't quite at Toyota's level of quality, but they aren't at that price, either.

[7milesout]

I admit to them being better than most Euro cars. But I was down in the trenches with both OEMs. I saw everything laid bare behind the curtains. There's a reason Toyota cars are more expensive and hold their values MUCH better than Hyundai-Kia. Would I own a Hyundai-Kia? Yes, under the right circumstances. Certainly before many European brands.

[MirageRally]

So I've been casually looking at options if gas skyrockets in the next year or so.(green energy costs a lot of money, gas prices, electricity, fossil fuels to heat your home) all will likely go up.

If this does happen, driving my Tundra will be less than fun getting 15.6mpg avg around town.

I would probably sell it and buy something else and the Hyundai Ioniq sure looks good! 21k new for the blue which gets 58mpg EPA and I bet even more driven right, 10yr/100k warranty, lifetime warranty on the battery for orig owner and a big enough hatch to fit a stroller and other gear!

I know my tundra would bring in more than that so I could buy the Ioniq outright and have a lot leftover to save.

I though someone on here had one? Anyone have experience with one?

After my Mirage l am getting a Prius bc they are really good mpg cars...plus l don't care about styling anymore...wanted a 2014 Camry V6 but with gas prices l want more mpg than what l have and a Prius would fill that spot. l wouldn't get a new one bc of me being old in my mind and want less safety tech, but then l have to wonder about if the battery and hybrid system are in good order?...better take one to my mechanic before anything else.

[7milesout]

MirageRally - I suggest a Prius Prime. Toyota took a good hard look at the Chevy Volt (the best concept for electric / hybrid vehicles that exists in my opinion), and voila the Prius Prime was born. You can bet Toyota tore at least one Chevy Volt down to the bare bones and studied everything. When I was at Toyota, we took a fresh brand new Acura MDX off the dealer lot (rented it for a couple weeks). We tore it down to just a whitebody, threw it back together and gave it back to the dealer. Happens all the time ... in Detroit anyway.

If, one has very short local commutes, the Prius Prime (and Chevy Volt) can't be beat, at least for mpg. Guys on the Volt forums have to put Sta-Bil in their gas because they refuel so infrequently. Last I checked, some were in the thousands of mpg. Would work well for me where I live. But I chose the inexpensive car with high fuel mileage route. Lowest TCO route.

[Pryme]

MirageRally - I suggest a Prius Prime. Toyota took a good hard look at the Chevy Volt (the best concept for electric / hybrid vehicles that exists in my opinion), and voila the Prius Prime was born. You can bet Toyota tore at least one Chevy Volt down to the bare bones and studied everything. When I was at Toyota, we took a fresh brand new Acura MDX off the dealer lot (rented it for a couple weeks). We tore it down to just a whitebody, threw it back together and gave it back to the dealer. Happens all the time ... in Detroit anyway.

If, one has very short local commutes, the Prius Prime (and Chevy Volt) can't be beat, at least for mpg. Guys on the Volt forums have to put Sta-Bil in their gas because they refuel so infrequently. Last I checked, some were in the thousands of mpg. Would work well for me where I live. But I chose the inexpensive car with high fuel mileage route. Lowest TCO route.

Okay so what things can you point out between a toyota and Korean car that sets them apart?

My actual work commute is short, only 8mi each way so with a plug in I could probably never use gasoline but I also would have to get a special plug wired in wouldnt I? It would probably take forever to charge on 110v

[7milesout]

Okay so what things can you point out between a toyota and Korean car that sets them apart?

My actual work commute is short, only 8mi each way so with a plug in I could probably never use gasoline but I also would have to get a special plug wired in wouldnt I? It would probably take forever to charge on 110v

Pryme - If you had worked at both, it would be clear. The absolute main thing is: MINDSET. Toyota is full of really great business minds who in many cases double up as very smart and experienced engineers.

What Toyota focuses on is: "What is best for our customers? We will pursue that at all costs."

What Hyundai focues on is: What is Toyota doing, and how are they doing it? I am not exaggerating. Been there, done that. That's why they are as good as they are.

Other details, such things as, Toyota will use a screw at many locations, where Hyundai will cheap out and use clips. Toyota drives their vendors hard for the best possible quality, then rewards them when they achieve (by paying them profitably). That makes a vendor bend over backward to achieve their best for Toyota. Hyundai will give every vendor the shaft at every possible instance. That works for Korean vendors because they just bend over and take it (because in Korea, Hyundai is KING). But North American vendors providing parts for Hyundai will cut corners and cuss out Hyundai because they are just sick of their crap, and barely make a profit if they don't lie, cheat and steal from Hyundai.

Toyota production will shut down (temporarily and corrected) if every fastener is not correctly counted, and (recorded) torque is obtained. Hyundai loses fasteners down on the floor before the carpet all day every day. And check for fastener rattle (from under the carpet) on their test track (it's just one of the checks). The saying at the Hyundai plant is: Don't be a squealer, ship it to the dealer. The vast majority of Hyundai vehicles undergo some level of repair post production. Most Toyota vehicles are cranked up at the end of the production line by Toyota Motor Sales staff and driven right to the shipping yard. Produced by Toyota Motor Manufacturing, sold to Toyota Motor Sales. At least that's what they were called when I was there, may be the same.

Hyundai were (and probably still) selling wheels with casting voids from the manufacturers and when proven, they just deny its true, even though there are instances of wheel balancing where a wheel / tire combo can never be properly balanced. A customer has to just live with it. I could go on and on.

Toyota vehicles are not perfect. Not by a long shot. But the average Toyota vehicle will ALWAYS be better than the average Hyundai (or any brand) vehicle.

It took years of hard liquor and shock therapy to get over the madness that happened at Hyundai-Kia factories. And yet, they build a better vehicle than say, BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Volvo, etc. Copying Toyota as best they can at every instance has its benefits. Porsche is sort of a standout (good) at this point. But doesn't offer a true entry level vehicle for the masses. And if they did try to build a cheap vehicle, they'd probably schmutz it up.



As for the charge time, I'm not 100% certain on this, but this is how I understand it works. If one bought a Volt new, I think a charging station could be erected at one's home (garage) for a nominal fee. But, the Volt also works with a regular 120V cord as well. It takes longer. But, you come home at night, plug it in and forget about it. It takes maybe 8 hours from fully discharged to fully charged. But you plug it in, and the next morning it's good to go. If you forget to plug in, no problem, the Volt and the Prime work just fine even if not charged. They just use gas.

Wanna drive cross-country? Fire the Volt or Prime up and take off. No special preparation. They can run non-stop.
Except to stop at a gas station, 5 minutes later you're rolling again. Not so with a Leaf or Tata (which is what I call Tesla). My saying, "you'll never see a Tesla with out of state tags!" Of course if you live in smaller states with big cities near the borders, they doesn't hold true. But big states, it's mostly true, you get what I mean I'm sure. Wanna drive a Tesla cross-country? Be prepared for a week-long frustrating event.