Torn between a new Mirage, versus a Micra or used Jetta TDI.

Mirage, Pros: Cheap, fuel efficient
Mirage, Cons: Too slow for roads here, need CVT for best highway mileage

Micra, Pros: Same price as Mirage, way better equipped, way the heck more power
Micra, Cons: Slightly less than ideal fuel economy, Nissan reliability problems

Used Jetta TDI, best fuel economy negated by higher fuel prices, can purchase for $1750 but only will get a year out of it max, or $2500-$3000 and maybe last two years.

Basically I need a commuter, but the Jeep has me realizing just how few features the Mirage has. Local dealer is doing $3500 off of Micra SVs right now. Mom loves hers. I love our Mirage but it's just not functioning well enough for us with our roads and environment.

Thoughts? (Please note vehicles have a 8-10 year lifespan here max, no suggestions of Metros or Sprints or older cars. None exist)

Your Jeep Wrangler is a - if not the - most versatile vehicle money can buy. Why not restore it's configuration to something more road-worthy? Keep your Mirage for fuel efficiency, and use the Wrangler for harsh conditions?

Because continuous vehicle financing only deepens one's debt. Unless money is no object, it's a losing proposition.

From one Jeep owner to another.

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Originally Posted by nickels

Mirage, Pros: Cheap, fuel efficient
Mirage, Cons: Too slow for roads here, need CVT for best highway mileage

Micra, Pros: Same price as Mirage, way better equipped, way the heck more power
Micra, Cons: Slightly less than ideal fuel economy, Nissan reliability problems

Used Jetta TDI, best fuel economy negated by higher fuel prices, can purchase for $1750 but only will get a year out of it max, or $2500-$3000 and maybe last two years.

Basically I need a commuter, but the Jeep has me realizing just how few features the Mirage has. Local dealer is doing $3500 off of Micra SVs right now. Mom loves hers. I love our Mirage but it's just not functioning well enough for us with our roads and environment.

Thoughts? (Please note vehicles have a 8-10 year lifespan here max, no suggestions of Metros or Sprints or older cars. None exist)

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I've never seen or driven a Micra. If I was keeping a car past its warranty period, I would not buy a Nissan with a CVT transmission. I don't care what the price is or what features it may have. The Micra sounds like a nice car, but I have no faith in CVT transmissions (especially in Nissan's). This is just one person's opinion. Others may feel differently.

Some of my opinion sort of carries over to the Mirage, too. I am not convinced the CVT transmission are designed to last the life of the car. If a car is near the last few remaining years of its life, who wants to spend a huge amount of money on a transmission? Yet, without a working transmission the car is useless.

I don't understand your comment that the Mirage is to slow? It goes down the highway the same speed of every other car I am around. Prior to my purchase of my 2017 Mirage ES (manual), I watched a review done in Germany. The car reviewer did a great job of reviewing the Mirage. Part of his review included him driving a manual transmission Mirage on the Autobahn highway. Likewise I have done 75-80 mph on a trip out west, & I didn't perceive any issues. If I am in a high traffic area on a 4-lane highway, I do feel a little small. A person feels a little safer & more secure at higher speeds in a larger vehicle (especially when you are surrounded by larger vehicles). In Europe this would be less of an issue, because small cars are more popular.

In the United States, the base level 2019 Mirage with manual transmission comes with quite a few features including A/C & cruise control. A person may want to upgrade the wheels for summer months, & used the steel rims for winter tires. Beyond that, the base model is a nice car for the money. I like my Mirage, but I wouldn't pay a lot of money for one.

I've owned my Mirage for about 15 months. In that time, I have driven it over 20,000 miles. During that time I have put about 3,000 miles on my 2011 Subaru Forester. Yet, there are times when I need the Forester. The Mirage can't do everything. My parents live 4-hours one way. I've made that trip numerous times. Since buying the Mirage, it has done all those trips except one.

If a lot of extra features are important to you, it sounds like you may be happier with the Micra. If extra horsepower is important to you, you may like the Micra. None of those things are important to me. I wanted a car that was affordable, reliable, and economical. For me that car was a highly discounted Mirage with a manual transmission. Trim levels in Canada may be different, & I realize that.

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Originally Posted by Eggman

Your Jeep Wrangler is a - if not the - most versatile vehicle money can buy. Why not restore it's configuration to something more road-worthy? Keep your Mirage for fuel efficiency, and use the Wrangler for harsh conditions?

Because continuous vehicle financing only deepens one's debt. Unless money is no object, it's a losing proposition.

From one Jeep owner to another.

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Not true. If the Jeep gets 20l/100, and I drive 120km a day, it can actually be much, much cheaper to finance a new car. Jeep is going to start running me $575 a month. That's a car payment, fuel and insurance.

Therefore, much cheaper to buy a new car and park the Jeep. Same reason we bought the first Mirage in the first place, to start spending, at the time, $750 in fuel for the Jeep every month.

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I've never seen or driven a Micra. If I was keeping a car past its warranty period, I would not buy a Nissan with a CVT transmission. I don't care what the price is or what features it may have. The Micra sounds like a nice car, but I have no faith in CVT transmissions (especially in Nissan's). This is just one person's opinion. Others may feel differently.

Some of my opinion sort of carries over to the Mirage, too. I am not convinced the CVT transmission are designed to last the life of the car. If a car is near the last few remaining years of its life, who wants to spend a huge amount of money on a transmission? Yet, without a working transmission the car is useless.

I don't understand your comment that the Mirage is to slow? It goes down the highway the same speed of every other car I am around. Prior to my purchase of my 2017 Mirage ES (manual), I watched a review done in Germany. The car reviewer did a great job of reviewing the Mirage. Part of his review included him driving a manual transmission Mirage on the Autobahn highway. Likewise I have done 75-80 mph on a trip out west, & I didn't perceive any issues. If I am in a high traffic area on a 4-lane highway, I do feel a little small. A person feels a little safer & more secure at higher speeds in a larger vehicle (especially when you are surrounded by larger vehicles). In Europe this would be less of an issue, because small cars are more popular.

In the United States, the base level 2019 Mirage with manual transmission comes with quite a few features including A/C & cruise control. A person may want to upgrade the wheels for summer months, & used the steel rims for winter tires. Beyond that, the base model is a nice car for the money. I like my Mirage, but I wouldn't pay a lot of money for one.

I've owned my Mirage for about 15 months. In that time, I have driven it over 20,000 miles. During that time I have put about 3,000 miles on my 2011 Subaru Forester. Yet, there are times when I need the Forester. The Mirage can't do everything. My parents live 4-hours one way. I've made that trip numerous times. Since buying the Mirage, it has done all those trips except one.

If a lot of extra features are important to you, it sounds like you may be happier with the Micra. If extra horsepower is important to you, you may like the Micra. None of those things are important to me. I wanted a car that was affordable, reliable, and economical. For me that car was a highly discounted Mirage with a manual transmission. Trim levels in Canada may be different, & I realize that.

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Our mirage has no AC, no cruise, those all push a Mirage well above $14,000 here up from $11000, the tires are too small for the potholes here, it doesnt defrost properly, it doesnt warm up enough, doesnt have enough suspension travel, it's all around a turf of a country car. That's where the Micra comes in. The Micra also has a tall 5th gear with the 5spd, whereas the Mirage is pulling 4000rpm torching fuel on our highways.

I could explain more but it's basically the equivalent of driving a shopping cart on a gravel road. It's not a New Brunswick car at all.

Lots of very short merge lanes, lots of aggressive drivers means where most cars can punch it to match speed, me and the Mirage cant do it, have to stop, then get royally screwed over trying to merge onto a 130kmh highway from a dead stop.

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Our mirage has no AC, no cruise, those all push a Mirage well above $14,000 here up from $11000, the tires are too small for the potholes here, it doesnt defrost properly, it doesnt warm up enough, doesnt have enough suspension travel, it's all around a turf of a country car. That's where the Micra comes in. The Micra also has a tall 5th gear with the 5spd, whereas the Mirage is pulling 4000rpm torching fuel on our highways.

I could explain more but it's basically the equivalent of driving a shopping cart on a gravel road. It's not a New Brunswick car at all.

Lots of very short merge lanes, lots of aggressive drivers means where most cars can punch it to match speed, me and the Mirage cant do it, have to stop, then get royally screwed over trying to merge onto a 130kmh highway from a dead stop.

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Fuel is relatively cheap in the United States compared to the rest of world. Sadly, that seems to justify large, expensive vehicles for many.

Everyone's situation is different. In my case, I feel justified owning some type of AWD/4WD vehicle. I have to drive on ridge roads in the winter. I also use a trailer quite often, haul kayaks on top, etc... My Subaru is set up for all that. If I owned only one vehicle, it would not be the Mirage. Having said that, I find AWD/4WD vehicles to be much more expensive to purchase & own. I see the Mirage as extending the life of my 2011 Forester. Since owning the Mirage, 87% of my driving has been with it. Yet, I am not willing to give up on that other 13% of the time when I need a larger AWD vehicle. Since Subaru replaced the short block part of my Forester's engine last fall for free, I am hoping to get many more years of use out of it. Owning/driving the Mirage is going to help that cause.

Owning two vehicles verses one, does have some drawbacks. You will pay more for insurance & license. I found shopping around for insurance helps. I also have a daughter/son-in-law that live overseas. The Mirage has been a nice car for them to borrow when they visit. I paid $10,153.73 out-the-door (tax, title, delivery, dealership lifetime/unlimited mileage power train warranty included) for a brand new Mirage. So far, it's been a perfect vehicle second vehicle to own. I have no complaints!

When a vehicle gets older, I am not opposed to dropping comprehensive/collision insurance while keeping liability on it. I think the Mirage is a great value, but that doesn't make it the perfect vehicle for everyone. I am hoping to keep what I have for quite some time. I like AWD vehicles with manual transmissions, but that option has now dwindled to just Jeep vehicles. I'd be more inclined to buy the new Compass or Renegade (vs a Wrangler), but I believe they have Fiat transmissions. That's not very inspiring to me. The Outlander Sport can be bought with a manual transmission, but not with AWD. On a positive note, the lack of good choices keeps me content with what I presently have. I also like vehicles that are paid for!

Affordable, economy cars like the Mirage have their place. I like owning one! Sounds like in your case you would be happier with the Micra. The Micra is not an option for us, & our base level Mirage comes fairly well equipped. Thus, we aren't really comparing apples to apples here. Good luck in whatever you decide!

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The Micra is not an option for us, & our base level Mirage comes fairly well equipped. Thus, we aren't really comparing apples to apples here. Good luck in whatever you decide!

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I often forget that the Mirage comes in way ****tier base trim here, AND that you guys don't have the 110hp $10k Micra as an option.

Didn't realize that nobody here can really even weigh in on my oddball situation.

Will see what the Jeep actually ends up costing. My guess is $700 a month, in fuel and tire wear alone.

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I often forget that the Mirage comes in way ****tier base trim here, AND that you guys don't have the 110hp $10k Micra as an option.

Didn't realize that nobody here can really even weigh in on my oddball situation.

Will see what the Jeep actually ends up costing. My guess is $700 a month, in fuel and tire wear alone.

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Sounds like the Micra may be a good option for you! At the time of my purchase, I was considering used cars like the Mazda 2, Toyota Yaris, or Honda Fit. A new Nissan Versa or Chevy Spark could have been options, but I wasn't drawn to them much. A Micra in 5 speed manual for $10,000 may be a good option to consider. I wish we had more small car options here, but the recent auto trend is headed in the other direction.

If you feel that strongly against the Mirage why would you consider buying a new one ? Go for the Micra, did you get a chance to drive your Mom's Micra for a bit ? The one Nissan I had was the Sentra with the QG18DE, known head gasket issues and mine was no different, had an internal leak after the original was replaced, I'm unsure if it was a terrible gasket design, one would think if it were the deck they would've planed it level. Does the Micra have any well known issues ? I thought they had engine knock problems a while back, I don't know if that was resolved (one would hope so).

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I often forget that the Mirage comes in way ****tier base trim here, AND that you guys don't have the 110hp $10k Micra as an option.

Didn't realize that nobody here can really even weigh in on my oddball situation.

Will see what the Jeep actually ends up costing. My guess is $700 a month, in fuel and tire wear alone.

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I am doing things somewhat backwards in my response. I apologize for that. I looked up the Micra as listed in Canada. It seems to be a nice car, especially for a list price of $10,488. It comes in 5 speed manual or 4-speed automatic. Nissan's 4-speed automatic transmission may be more durable than the CVT used in many U.S. cars. Nissan's CVT transmissions have a bad reputation here, and probably deserved. I wouldn't think the mpg would be much different than the 5-speed manual, however.

I wish the Micra was an option here. I don't like how Mitsubishi lists the Mirage relatively high for what it is, and then offers huge discounts. I like my Mirage a lot, but I wouldn't pay more than $10,000 for one (new or used). The fact the Micra lists @ $10,488 is great!

Your original question may be served better on a Micra forum, & I understand your interest in it. It looks like a nice package. Good luck!

I wouldn’t own anything with a CVT.

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Mirage, Pros: Cheap, fuel efficient
Mirage, Cons: Too slow for roads here, need CVT for best highway mileage

Micra, Pros: Same price as Mirage, way better equipped, way the heck more power
Micra, Cons: Slightly less than ideal fuel economy, Nissan reliability problems

Thoughts? (Please note vehicles have a 8-10 year lifespan here max, no suggestions of Metros or Sprints or older cars. None exist)

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My Mirage lives in Ontario, not BC, but gas prices here are expensive like anywhere in Canada. So you pay what 600 a month in gas? I pay like 90 a month for my commute w my Mirage, which is only 25 kms each way but still.

Get a 5 speed Mirage that will give you more pick up. If you can't drive a stick I wouldn't bother with small cars personally. Jeeps aren't that much faster, if at all, than the Mirage. it's like 10x the weight shed off. Another thing is Mirage you do feel very small on the road but I drive it on the 401, carefully.

Get a red one or a bright green one makes it stand out more on the freeways, mine is charcoal grey so it blends in with everything.

Gave you my honest if blunt opinion. I Like my Mirage but you should drive it and the Nisssan and compare, I did not have Micra as an option back in spring 14 when I bought my Mirage. Def go stick with either might as well.

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Our mirage has no AC, no cruise, those all push a Mirage well above $14,000 here up from $11000, the tires are too small for the potholes here, it doesnt defrost properly, it doesnt warm up enough, doesnt have enough suspension travel, it's all around a turf of a country car. That's where the Micra comes in. The Micra also has a tall 5th gear with the 5spd, whereas the Mirage is pulling 4000rpm torching fuel on our highways.

I could explain more but it's basically the equivalent of driving a shopping cart on a gravel road. It's not a New Brunswick car at all.

Lots of very short merge lanes, lots of aggressive drivers means where most cars can punch it to match speed, me and the Mirage cant do it, have to stop, then get royally screwed over trying to merge onto a 130kmh highway from a dead stop.

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Sorry to hear your mirage is defective with no options. If you had a new one with those basic options and without your defects you might like the car alot more.

I've driven mine in temps of -28F and -50 windchill now and the heat was fine and windows clear.

Even considering a VW of modern age would NEVER be an option for me personally.

I haven't owned a small car in 15 years or so. After driving a bunch of Mirage's around this winter I personally wouldn't want one for a daily driver. They are pretty reliable but it is what it is, cheap basic transportation. I haven't driven any other cars to compare except for a 14' spark and from what I recall it had more power and was slightly more comfortable but had awkward rear 1/4 visibility.

Myself, I usually tend to buy the cheapest thing that'll do the job(within reason), but I'm not interested in sacrificing comfort and power to save $50/month on fuel. But I'm very unpractical/immature, I drove a 8000lb dually as a daily commuter for about a year and a half(but managed to get better economy than your jeep). Right now I'm driving the gf's 15' optima and if you factor in the extra insurance cost and the fuel savings I'm really only saving about $125/month over driving my truck. Maybe a bit more now that gas is cheaper than diesel.

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I haven't owned a small car in 15 years or so. After driving a bunch of Mirage's around this winter I personally wouldn't want one for a daily driver. They are pretty reliable but it is what it is, cheap basic transportation. I haven't driven any other cars to compare except for a 14' spark and from what I recall it had more power and was slightly more comfortable but had awkward rear 1/4 visibility.

Myself, I usually tend to buy the cheapest thing that'll do the job(within reason), but I'm not interested in sacrificing comfort and power to save $50/month on fuel. But I'm very unpractical/immature, I drove a 8000lb dually as a daily commuter for about a year and a half(but managed to get better economy than your jeep). Right now I'm driving the gf's 15' optima and if you factor in the extra insurance cost and the fuel savings I'm really only saving about $125/month over driving my truck. Maybe a bit more now that gas is cheaper than diesel.

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You drive only cvts though. I didnt care for the mirage much with a cvt but the manual was night and day better. Especially with more options in the se.

And 125/mo is HUGE. That's like a cell phone bill and gym membership for instance

That's very true. And just today I was reminded at the noticeable difference between the 15's and 17's in ride and drivability.
$125 does add up, that's a like 5- 15 packs of cheap beer! But gas is one of our lowest expenses with childcare coming in 2nd place @ $2000/month with mortgage slightly higher.

The older TDI's were great late 90's early to mid 2000's. Between diesel gate and some issues with newer tdi's I'd stay away. I'll put it the way a good mechanic stated. Purchase the newest, most simplistic motor, with the goodies you need if you plan to keep the vehicle a long time. What he means he's asked about the new smaller ford turbos in the f150 to the traditional big block v8 since mileage is not much different he suggests going with the simple motor.

If you were to lease or buy something to enjoy that you know you are going to get rid off sky's the limit if you plan to keep til the wheels fall off or economics is an issue newest and simplest.

The nissan or mitsu for the first few years should be trouble free the TDI i'd have some funds aside in case.

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I haven't owned a small car in 15 years or so. After driving a bunch of Mirage's around this winter I personally wouldn't want one for a daily driver. They are pretty reliable but it is what it is, cheap basic transportation. I haven't driven any other cars to compare except for a 14' spark and from what I recall it had more power and was slightly more comfortable but had awkward rear 1/4 visibility.

Myself, I usually tend to buy the cheapest thing that'll do the job(within reason), but I'm not interested in sacrificing comfort and power to save $50/month on fuel. But I'm very unpractical/immature, I drove a 8000lb dually as a daily commuter for about a year and a half(but managed to get better economy than your jeep). Right now I'm driving the gf's 15' optima and if you factor in the extra insurance cost and the fuel savings I'm really only saving about $125/month over driving my truck. Maybe a bit more now that gas is cheaper than diesel.

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Amen. I drive about 200 miles a day. Yesterday was a 350 mile day, today was a 300 mile day, and tomorrow will probably be another 350 mile day.

These cars are cheaply built and uncomfortable, but they sure are reliable and get good on gas. I keep telling myself I'm going to get a full size car in a year or so, but I just can't kill this car. I've got about 235k miles on the thing and I'm still on the original clutch. The car ain't much but its cheap and dependable.

You're catching up! Our highest isn't racking up the miles like it used to it's close to 399000kms/248000miles right now. And started right up in -32c/-25f not plugged in this morning.

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My Mirage lives in Ontario, not BC, but gas prices here are expensive like anywhere in Canada. So you pay what 600 a month in gas? I pay like 90 a month for my commute w my Mirage, which is only 25 kms each way but still.

Get a 5 speed Mirage that will give you more pick up. If you can't drive a stick I wouldn't bother with small cars personally. Jeeps aren't that much faster, if at all, than the Mirage. it's like 10x the weight shed off. Another thing is Mirage you do feel very small on the road but I drive it on the 401, carefully.

Get a red one or a bright green one makes it stand out more on the freeways, mine is charcoal grey so it blends in with everything.

Gave you my honest if blunt opinion. I Like my Mirage but you should drive it and the Nisssan and compare, I did not have Micra as an option back in spring 14 when I bought my Mirage. Def go stick with either might as well.

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No, my 80hp 5speed Mirage doesnt hold a candle to a 300hp Jeep. Not even close. The mirage is hitting 100kmh at the same time the Jeep hits 100mph.

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You drive only cvts though. I didnt care for the mirage much with a cvt but the manual was night and day better. Especially with more options in the se.

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Even though the manual is not offered in the upper trim levels (LE, SE, GT), the 2019 ES (manual) has evolved into a nice package. Back up camera, bluetooth, six-way adjustable driver's seat, & cruise are all standard now. These were not found as standard equipment on the ES when the SE manual was offered in 2017. I would much rather have the manual temperature controls found on the ES & LE, too!

The 2019 ES manual is a nice package now even though it still lacks alloy wheels. Personally, I would take manual transmission over alloy wheels any day. Much easier/cheaper to upgrade wheels than change out the transmission on any car.

I think the 5 speed manual is a hoot to drive. I am not a small guy, & I don't find the Mirage uncomfortable at all. I've never sat in the back seats, but the front seats seem perfectly fine to me. I really wouldn't change anything about them.

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you guys don't have the 110hp $10k Micra as an option.

Didn't realize that nobody here can really even weigh in on my oddball situation.

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I can - I've driven a bunch of Micras, all trims, both transmissions.

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Mirage, Cons: Too slow for roads here, need CVT for best highway mileage

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Funny: there are lots of Mirages in New Brunswick (relatively speaking). They come up often in my used Mirage searches.

"need CVT for best highway mileage" - Common misconception based on the EPA ratings handicapping the 5-speed. In the hands of an intelligent driver, the manual beats the CVT in real world fuel economy, even counting for highway use. And the car has a very different character going from auto to manual.

What do you want to know about the Micra?

I can tell you:

- It's more fun. Lots more power. Suspension is much better sorted, with a lot less body roll (standard f/r stabilizer bars - Canada was the only market to get this). 15" standard tires. Steering feel is much more "normal", despite having electric assist like the Mirage's.

- Mirage's softer suspension soaks up rough roads better. (Maybe get a set of 15's for your Mirage??) I don't think the Micra has significantly more suspension travel, but I haven't rallied either car. :D

- Micra owners complain about the short gearing of the 5-spd manual. Not sure where you're getting info that 5th is tall. 1st gear is practically unnecessary, and it's quite rev-happy at highway speeds.

- The Micra had some major engine reliability issues, from brand new. I haven't heard of any recently, but some early owners had bearing issues. Some got warranty replacements, others were denied and have rod knock. On the other hand, some higher miles/kms Mirage owners are having CVT issues. On the other hand, the Mirage's powertrain warranty is 10 years/160k vs. 5/100 for Nissan. The Micra's 4-speed slushbox is ancient technology -- dead reliable, but it eats gas.

- Anecdotally (forum chatter), I'd say the Micra has more minor reliability problems than the Mirage.

Related threads:

Thread: Micra or Mirage... can't decide

Thread: I've got a 2015 Nissan Micra 1.6 for a week. Anything you want to know about it?

Thread: Jalopnik Nissan Micra vs Mitsubishi Mirage

Thread: Mirage vs. Spark vs Micra: cheap car overview (Toronto Star Wheels)

Pulled the trigger today. Done deal.

Thanks for the advice everybody. Will get some pictures up later. Going to be in financing for a few days, guess a couple of their systems are down. I'll post a photo once its official, possibly early next week.

New thread:
Thread: 2018 Micra (in gray) joining our 2018 Mirage (in identical gray)

I didn't realize the Nissan warranty was only 5 years/100k km with a few exceptions that are 5year/160k kms. I see they come with 4speed automatics not cvt. I was comparing some of the Nissan's(just online) and the Kicks is seeming like a potential replacement for the Mirage. My only worry is the Kicks's comes with a cvt and I'm not a huge fan of those anymore. They are more efficient than a regular slushbox but not as reliable as a 5 speed. Unfortunately it seems a lot of people I see daily either can't or don't want to drive a 5 speed or if they can they suck at it. So buying an idiot proof cvt/automatic seems easier and more cost effective than finding people that can properly drive a standard.

Anyways....I was just looking on Nissan's site for a Mirage alternative/replacement with the a few basic minimum options: automatics/cvt, air conditioning and power door locks/keyless entry. And want it to be white.

To get that in a Mirage you have to get the es plus cvt model with a cash price of $17902 then tack on another $300 cause we want white and it's now $18202. 6.6c/6.2h l/100k

With the Micra, in order to get power door locks and the other option we want you have to get the SV model which comes with an automatic transmission(not cvt) which ends up at $17374 8.9c/6.8hwy l/100k

The Versa Note comes with standard ac but again you need to upgrade to the SV model to get power door locks and they charge extra for white paint which comes to $19,974 cash price. They claim the Versa gets better fuel economy than the micra. 7.6city/6.2hwy l/100km

The base model Kicks comes fairly well equipped as a base model with cvt, keyless entry, air conditioning. Cruise is standard as well as 16" wheels that I would hope would last longer than 14" and not get bent by potholes as easily. And it appears to have more interior room, but I haven't looked at those specs yet. The online price is $19,919 The Kicks shows as having better fuel economy than the Micra as well.
7.7c/6.6hwy l/100kms.

The Micra and Mirage both have low starting prices and seem like great deals til you start adding up options they start to get pricey and it seems like there might be nicer alternatives for the close to the same cost. I may be wrong but I think if you want the best fuel economy and warranty in a non hybrid you're gonna have to stick with a Mirage.

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It took me so long to write this post that you already bought a car!

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You mean as delivery vehicles?

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To get that in a Mirage you have to get the es plus cvt model with a cash price of $17902 then tack on another $300 cause we want white and it's now $18202.

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Have you been in touch with Mitsubishi fleet sales?

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They claim the Versa gets better fuel economy than the micra. 7.6city/6.2hwy l/100km
The Kicks shows as having better fuel economy than the Micra as well.

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Yep - that's the CVT advantage. And the Versa has exactly the same engine/mechanicals as the Micra, except for the auto trans. The Kicks has a slightly modified version of the same HR16DE engine (with a bit more hp), also riding on a modified version of the Micra/Versa platform.

Yeah for delivery, I don’t do any buying but they deal with someone in the fleet department.

I’m not a huge Nissan fan at the moment, got a 18 nv200 sitting at the dealer with a cracked transmission cooler and blown cvt. No warranty cause it was run dry and they want $9k to fix it. Said it looked like a rock hit the cooler so we’re sol. The external auxiliary cvt cooler must be in a pretty stupid place, and made of tin foil.

And not a lot of NV200's in the junkyards to pull parts from :D

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Yeah for delivery, I don’t do any buying but they deal with someone in the fleet department.

I’m not a huge Nissan fan at the moment, got a 18 nv200 sitting at the dealer with a cracked transmission cooler and blown cvt. No warranty cause it was run dry and they want $9k to fix it. Said it looked like a rock hit the cooler so we’re sol. The external auxiliary cvt cooler must be in a pretty stupid place, and made of tin foil.

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Wouldn't your company auto insurance cover that?

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Wouldn't your company auto insurance cover that?

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Never considered that, I know they'll usually cover hitting an animal even if you don't have collision without rates going up but I don't know about a rock.
I'm sure the vehicle insurance is high already, if we made a claim every chance we get,insurance would be too costly. Sometimes it's cheaper to just pay to fix stuff rather than involve insurance companies depending on who's at fault of course.

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Originally Posted by MetroMPG

And not a lot of NV200's in the junkyards to pull parts from :D

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You're right. There was one transmission in Canada!

You think the CVT version could hit your mileage? God I hope so lol. Im driving my Mirage till the wheels fall off.